Vector Area Integration: Proving Properties

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The discussion revolves around the concept of vector area integration, specifically focusing on proving properties related to vector area for different surfaces, including a hemispherical bowl. The original poster presents three problems to prove, including finding the vector area of a hemispherical bowl, demonstrating that the vector area is zero for closed surfaces, and showing that the vector area is the same for surfaces sharing the same boundary.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the vector area of a hemisphere using spherical coordinates and questions how to integrate over the unit vector. Participants discuss the need to convert coordinates and the implications of varying directions of the unit vector.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering hints and discussing the implications of coordinate transformations. There is a recognition of the symmetry in the problem and the behavior of vector areas for closed surfaces, although no consensus has been reached on the interpretations of the results.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the differences between vector area and scalar area, as well as the need to consider the directionality of unit vectors in the context of integration. The discussion also highlights the challenges posed by varying unit vector directions in spherical coordinates.

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The vector area is given by the integral [itex]\vec a = \int_s d\vec a[/itex] for a surface s.

I have three problems to prove based on this:

1] Find the vector area of a hemispherical bowl of radius R.

I solved a bit of this.
The area element for a hemisphere is given by [tex]d\vec a = R^2\sin \theta d\theta d\phi \hat r[/tex].
So,[tex]\vec a = R^2\int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}}\sin \theta d\theta \int_{0}^{2\pi} d\phi \hat r[/tex]

How am I supposed to integrate over the unit vector [itex]\hat r[/itex]?

2] Show [tex]\vec a = 0[/tex] for any closed surface.

3] Show [tex]\vec a[/tex] is the same for all surfaces sharing the same boundary.
 
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Hint:

[tex]\hat r = \frac {x \hat i + y \hat j + z \hat k}{r}[/tex]
 
Does this mean I have to convert all the factors into Cartesian coordinates, since I have used spherical polar in this case?
 
No, but you should now convert x, y and z to their spherical forms.

The basic problem is that the direction of the unit vector [itex]\hat r[/itex] varies with position. The Cartesian unit vectors, however, have fixed directions.
 
Tide said:
No, but you should now convert x, y and z to their spherical forms.

The basic problem is that the direction of the unit vector [itex]\hat r[/itex] varies with position. The Cartesian unit vectors, however, have fixed directions.

I converted them and after making the necessary evalutions to the integral, I got:
[tex]\vec a = \int_s d\vec a = \pi R^2\hat z[/tex]
What does this equation mean?
How is the vector area different from the scalar area particularly in this case?
Why is [itex]\vec a = 0[/itex] for closed surfaces?
 
Essentially what you are doing is adding the "differential of area" vector at each point. It should be easy to see from the symmetry of this problem that the resultant will be in the z direction. It should also be easy to see that for any closed surface, for each point there will be a point where the vectors are pointing in the opposite directions.
 

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