Just want to understant(Diff EQ)

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The discussion revolves around an initial value problem in differential equations, specifically examining the uniqueness of solutions for the equation y' = 3*y^(2/3) with the initial condition y(0) = 10^-7. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the dependence of the functions on x and the bounds given in the solutions manual.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • The original poster applies the Existence and Uniqueness theorem and questions the bounds on x provided in the solutions manual. Other participants suggest integrating y' to understand the dependence on x and discuss the implications of treating y as a constant.

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Participants are exploring the implications of the differential equation and the initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration process and the nature of y, but there is no explicit consensus on the bounds for x or the reasoning behind them.

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The original poster notes confusion about the specific interval for x provided in the solutions manual and questions the reasoning behind the bounds, indicating a potential lack of clarity in the problem setup.

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Ok guys, this is not a difficult problem at all (ch 1)...sorry to disappoint you. But after 3 lectures I still can't answer parts of these questions -and I have the solution's manual :( Here they go:


Does the initial value problem y' =3*y^2/3 , y(0)=10^-7

have an unique solution in a neighborhood of x=0?.

Okay, I applied the Existence and Uniqueness theorem and took the partial derivative of y' with respect to y and got 2*y^-1/3. Now since my starting point is (0,10^-7), my y' is continuous so it passes the test. And my i.v.p. does in fact have a unique solution at that starting point.

Okay, now don't you find it weird that my functions aren't depending on x?

And the solutions manual goes on to say both functions y' and partial of y' w.r.t. y are defined on this rectangle R={(x,y): -1<x<1, (1/2)10^-7 <y<(2)10^-7} What?!? Where did those numbers come from? Why can't x be equal to or greater than 1? My y' and partial of y' w.r.t. y don't even depend on x so why is x bounded?

Any help will be greatly appreciated, as always...Karen
 
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If you integrate y', you'll see that y does depend on x.
 
yeah, i thought about that...but even so why can't x be -1 or 1...or bigger than 1? y(x)= 3*y^2/3*x. And how did they get that interval.
 
Your problem is not differential equations, it's calculus!

The integral of y'= 3y3/2 is not y= 3y3/2x!

y is not a constant and you can't treat it like one. If you're already working with the "existence and uniqueness" theorem, then you should already have learned about "separable equations". y'= 3y3/2 is the same as
[tex]\frac{dy}{dx}= 3y^{\frac{3}{2}[/tex]
which is equivalent to (in "differential" form)
[tex]y^{-\frac{3}{2}}dy= 3dx[/tex].
Integrating that, the left side wrt y and the right side wrt x, gives
[tex]2y^{-\frac{1}{2}}= 3x+ C[/tex]
or y= 4/(3x+C)2. Notice that y cannot be negative! That's because there is a problem with the differential equation at y=0.

You are correct that since (3y3/2)'= (9/2)y1/2 is continuous for y not 0, the given initial value problem will have a unique solution- although possibly only on a very short interval!
 
Okay I asked my teacher and he told that the chosen interval was probably just random.
 

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