How Do You Calculate the Rate of Change of Wave Frequency with Water Depth?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rate of change of wave frequency with respect to water depth in shallow ocean water. Participants explore the mathematical derivation of the frequency equation and its derivative, focusing on the implications of hyperbolic functions and constants involved in the equation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the equation for wave frequency and attempts to derive the rate of change of frequency with respect to water depth, expressing uncertainty about the correctness of their derivation.
  • Another participant points out that integrating while seeking a derivative does not make sense and suggests reposting in a more appropriate section for additional help.
  • A third participant provides insights into the relationships between hyperbolic functions and suggests a different approach to the derivative, including the use of constants and transformations of the original equation.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the help received, indicating engagement in the discussion.

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There is no clear consensus on the correctness of the initial derivation or the methods employed. Multiple viewpoints on the approach to the problem are presented, and uncertainty remains regarding the final answer.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference hyperbolic functions and their derivatives, but there are unresolved mathematical steps and potential dependencies on the definitions of the functions involved.

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Could anyone give a hand in solving this problem?

In shallow ocean water, the frequency of the wave action (number of wave crests passing a given point per second) is given by f= [(g/(2PiL))tanh(2Pih/L)]^1/2, where g is the acceleration due to gravity, L is the distance between wave crests, and h is the depth of the water. Get an equation for the rate of change of f with respect to h assuming g and L are constants.

Well this is what I've gotten so far...I'm not sure if it is right or not...

df/dh=1/2((g/2PiL) tanh(2Pih/L))^-1/2 * ((g/L^2)sech^2(2Pih/L))
=((g/L^2)sech^2(2Pih/L))/2√((g/2PiL)tanh(2Pih/L))

well seems that the final answer is

(gPi/2L^3)^1/2 csch^1/2(2Pih/L)sech^3/2(2Pih/L)

So, I have no idea how this answer was derived, looking at it seems that they integrated it (sech^3/2)... is that so?

It would be of great help you anyone could give a hand on this one...


Thank you so much... guys...
 
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I am very rusty on my derivatives. But I will say that it doesn't make any sense to integrate something while looking for the derivative of a function. It appears to be a nasty little hyperbolic function...You may want to repost this in the homework or math sections for a bit more help.
 
cunhasb - you seem to be on the right track. Make sure constants are correct, and remember

tanh x = sinh x/ cosh x = sech x/csch x, csch x = 1/sinh x, sech x = 1/cosh x

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let f = [itex](\frac{g}{2\pi L} tanh (\frac{2\pi h}{L})^{1/2}[/itex]

or f = [itex](a g)^{1/2}[/itex], so

df/dh = f ' = 1/2 a1/2 g-1/2 g '

now if g = tanh (bh) , then g ' = b sech2 (bh) where b = [itex]\frac{2\pi}{L}[/itex]

so

f ' = 1/2 [itex](\frac{g}{2\pi L})^{1/2} (tanh (\frac{2\pi}{L}))^{-1/2}\,sech^2 (\frac{2\pi h}{L})\,\,\frac{2\pi}{L}[/itex]
 
thank you guys... Sorry not to thank you before... but I was away for a few days...

Thank you so much...
 

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