Calculating Speed of m3 Using Energy Concepts in a Frictionless System

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The problem involves calculating the speed of mass m3 in a system of three objects connected by strings over frictionless pulleys, utilizing energy concepts. The scenario is set in a frictionless environment, and the system is released from rest, with a specific focus on the movement of m3 after descending 4 meters.

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  • Participants discuss the initial setup and energy expressions, questioning how to relate the initial and final states of the system. There is exploration of the conservation of energy principle and its implications for the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concepts of energy conservation and potential energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relevance of gravitational forces and the implications of starting from rest. The discussion reflects a productive exploration of the problem without reaching a consensus on a specific solution.

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The problem constraints include the frictionless nature of the surface and the requirement to use energy concepts rather than force equations. There is an emphasis on the initial and final positions of m3 in relation to gravitational potential energy.

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I am not sure how to do this problem without using netF=ma.

Three objects with masses, m1 = 5 kg, m2 = 10 kg, and m3 = 15kg, are attached by strings over frictionless pulleys. The horizontal surface is frictionless, and the system is released from rest. Using energy concepts, find the speed of m3 after it moves down 4m.

And the picture has a table with m1 hanging off of one side, m2 on the table, and m3 hanging off of the right side.

I have no idea how to start this problem, it is probably easy
 
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Draw the system in its initial configuration and write down an expression for the total energy. What does the fact that it is being released "from rest" tell you about the kinetic energies of each block?

Then draw the system after Block 3 has moved 4 m, and write down the total energy in that case.

Then, what physical law can you use that pertains to energy?
 
work=change in kinetic energy?
 
The principle I am getting at is conservation of energy. You don't need to consider work here because the only force at play here is gravity, which is conservative. That means you can write down an expression for potential energy for the gravitational force.
 
Oh, of course, so the whole problem only depends on the initial and final positions of m3 because gravitiy is a conservative force.

That makes it easier, thanks a lot. I forgot about that section.
 
Looks like you've got it. :cool:
 

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