Why can the tangent of a curve have exponents in Calculus?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the tangent of a curve in calculus, particularly addressing why the slope of a tangent can involve exponents, contrasting this with the linear equations typically encountered in algebra and trigonometry.

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  • One participant questions why the slope of a tangent can include exponents, noting that in algebra, slopes are represented as fractions without exponents.
  • Another participant asserts that the tangent at a point on a curve is a line, suggesting that the confusion may stem from mixing the slope of the tangent with the derivative, which varies at different points.
  • A participant explains that the slope of a tangent line is a number, and differentiates between the slope at a specific point and the derivative as a function that provides slopes at various points.
  • There is a discussion about the correct form of the tangent line equation, with participants correcting each other's calculations regarding the derivative and the tangent line's equation.
  • One participant proposes that the linear approximation of a differentiable function near a point can be expressed in a linear form, regardless of the function's complexity.
  • Multiple participants engage in clarifying the correct expression for the tangent line, leading to some confusion about whether it is 3x - 2 or 3x + 2, with corrections being made throughout the discussion.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between the slope of a tangent and the derivative, and there is no consensus on the correct form of the tangent line equation, indicating ongoing confusion and debate.

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Some participants reference specific calculations and examples, but there are noted errors in derivative calculations and expressions for the tangent line, which remain unresolved.

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Reading on Calculas you can see that the slope of a tangent can have an exponet,but why?

In Alegra and Trig we were always taught that slope was a fraction and x was never sqaured or cubed like in The Linear Eqaution Y=MX+B.

In calculas DY can eqaul Xsqaured, Xcubed or to any degree. But how?

if you wrote Y=4/3X(sqaured)+6 you wouldn't get a line but some sort of curved shape. So why is it the tagent of a curve can have X to an exponent in Calculas?
 
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What do you mean? The tangent at a certain point on a curve is a line by definition (and of the form y=mx+b). When you talk about the slope of a tangent you are talking about the slope of a line, which is constant.

Maybe you'd better give an example for us too see where your confusion lies.
 
The slope of a tangent line at some point on a curve is a number just like the slope of any line.

You may be confusing the slope of the tangent at a point with the "slope function" (the derivative) which gives the slope at different points.

For example, if f(x)= x3, then f'= 3x2- but that is not the "slope" at any specific point.
If x= 1, f'(1)= 3 and the tangent line at (1,1) is y= 3(x-1)+ 1= 3x- 2.
If x= 2, f'(2)= 24 and the tangent line at (2, 8)is y= 24(x-2)+ 8= 24x- 40.
 
OK how did you get 3X-2?
 
A tangent line which goes through (x0, y0), can be expressed as:
[tex]y = f'(x_0) (x - x_0) + y_0[/tex]
f(x) = x3
f'(x) = 3x2
So say x0 = 1, then y0 = f(x0) = 1.
The tangent line at (1, 1) is:
y = f'(x0) (x - x0) + y0 = f'(1) (x - 1) + 1 = 3x - 3 + 1 = 3x + 2.
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HallsofIvy said:
If x= 1, f'(1)= 3 and the tangent line at (1,1) is y= 3(x-1)+ 1= 3x- 2.
If x= 2, f'(2)= 24 and the tangent line at (2, 8)is y= 24(x-2)+ 8= 24x- 40.
There seems to be a slight typo with f'(2) :smile:, f'(2) = 12, not 24, so:
y = 12(x - 2) + 8 = 12x - 16.
Viet Dao,
 
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Oops! In calculating f'(2), I cubed 2 instead of squaring!


(and, just to get back at you- 3(x-1)+ 1= 3x-3+1= 3x- 2 not 3x+2!) :smile:
 
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Line said:
Reading on Calculas you can see that the slope of a tangent can have an exponet,but why?

In Alegra and Trig we were always taught that slope was a fraction and x was never sqaured or cubed like in The Linear Eqaution Y=MX+B.

In calculas DY can eqaul Xsqaured, Xcubed or to any degree. But how?

if you wrote Y=4/3X(sqaured)+6 you wouldn't get a line but some sort of curved shape. So why is it the tagent of a curve can have X to an exponent in Calculas?
It is because x^3 or whatever is just a number. The idea is we like simple functions like y=m*x+b so when confronted by a (differentiable) function f(x) we consider that in the limit dx->0 the function is linear near some point a
f(x)=f(a)+f'(a)x+O(x^2)
so f'(a) is just the slope be it a or a^3 or exp(a)
the linearity is in another variable.
 
SO is it 3x-2 or 3x+2?
 
HallsofIvy said:
(and, just to get back at you- 3(x-1)+ 1= 3x-3+1= 3x- 2 not 3x+2!):smile:
Yup. Thanks for pointing that out...:smile:
Line said:
SO is it 3x-2 or 3x+2?
It's 3x - 2.
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I'll make it a bit clear for you.
Let f(x) be some function.
f'(x) is the derivative of f(x).
Then f'(x) is the function such that when you plug any x0 into the function, it will return you the slope of the tangent line at the point (x0, f(x0)).
Say f(x) = 4x3. So f'(x) = 12x2. If you want to have the slope of the tangent line at (1, 4) (f(1) = 4 . 13 = 4), you plug x = 1 to f'(x). It will return f'(1) = 12.
So the slope of the tangent line at (1, 4) is 12.
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And if you want to find out the equation of the tangent line at (1, 4), you use the equation: y = f'(x0) (x - x0) + y0. Where y0 = f(x0). I think you can find the proof in your book.
So the tangent line at (1, 4) is y = f'(1) (x - 1) + 4 = 12 (x - 1) + 4 = 12x - 12 + 4 = 12x - 8. So y = 12x - 8.
Viet Dao,
 

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