Proving Polynomial Expression: 1^k+2^k+...+n^k as a Degree-k+1 Polynomial

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The discussion revolves around proving that the sum of the k-th powers of the first n natural numbers, expressed as 1^k + 2^k + ... + n^k, can be represented as a polynomial in n of degree at most k+1. Participants are exploring the implications of this assertion and the nature of polynomial expressions.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are questioning the interpretation of the problem statement, particularly whether the polynomial representation must be exclusive or if other forms are permissible. There is a discussion about the validity of counterexamples and the nature of coefficients in polynomial expressions.

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The discussion is active, with participants examining different interpretations of the problem and the implications of polynomial definitions. Some guidance is offered regarding the nature of coefficients in polynomials, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the original statement.

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Participants are grappling with the definitions of polynomials and the conditions under which the sum can be expressed as such. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in proving the statement, as well as the potential for misunderstanding the problem's requirements.

Icebreaker
"Prove that

[tex]1^k+2^k+...+n^k[/tex]

can be written as a polynomial in [tex]n[/tex] of degree at most [tex]k+1[/tex]."

Isn't this kinda trivial? I mean I know the "book" solution is to prove by induction, etc, but assuming that I have the above expression, I can prove or disprove it, depending on how I interpret the question.

If it means that it can be written in the above conditions AND NOTHING ELSE, I can easily produce a counterexample:

[tex]1+2+3 = 3^3 - 7\times3[/tex]

If it means that it can be written in the above conditions, but does not prohibit the existence of other solutions, then it's trivial, because the above expression can be written as

[tex]an^{k+1}[/tex] for some real number [tex]a[/tex]
 
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Icebreaker said:
If it means that it can be written in the above conditions AND NOTHING ELSE, I can easily produce a counterexample:

[tex]1+2+3 = 3^3 - 7\times3[/tex]

It doesn't mean "and nothing else", it's already written in a form that you wouldn't call a polynomial.

Icebreaker said:
If it means that it can be written in the above conditions, but does not prohibit the existence of other solutions, then it's trivial, because the above expression can be written as

[tex]an^{k+1}[/tex] for some real number [tex]a[/tex]

No choice of a here will hold for all n. Your polynomial is supposed to equal that expression for all values of n.
 
True, no choice of a will hold for every n, but there exists one for every n.
 
Icebreaker said:
True, no choice of a will hold for every n, but there exists one for every n.

It's not a polynomial if the coefficients aren't constant. Your a will depend on n in some unspecified way, and you haven't solved the problem.
 
No easy way out then. Damn.
 

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