Atomic Structure Determines Element Properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around how atomic structure influences the properties of elements, including their states (solid, liquid, gas) and characteristics (color, hardness). Participants explore various aspects of atomic and molecular structure, as well as the implications for material properties.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that protons define different elements, while the valence shell significantly influences the properties of atoms and molecules.
  • It is proposed that the arrangement of atoms in a solid affects its properties, with examples like graphite and diamond illustrating how the same atoms can yield different characteristics based on their configuration.
  • Some participants emphasize the importance of molecular structure and crystal configurations in determining the macro-level properties of substances.
  • There is a suggestion to refer to solid-state physics texts to understand how different crystal structures lead to varying material properties.
  • One participant mentions the work of Linus Pauling, highlighting the relationship between electronic shell structure and chemical bonding.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that quantum mechanics challenges classical notions of particles, suggesting that electron configurations alone do not account for all material properties.
  • It is noted that while electron configurations explain many properties, there are additional factors, such as nuclear properties, that also play a role in understanding matter.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the relationship between atomic structure and elemental properties, with some agreeing on the significance of electron configurations while others challenge this perspective by introducing quantum mechanics and additional properties of matter. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of properties and may not account for all factors influencing material characteristics. There are unresolved aspects regarding the interplay between quantum mechanics and classical descriptions of particles.

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What, in the atom, dictate elemental properties?

I know that protons dictate different elements, but what part of an atom determines if it's a solid, gas, liquid, black, gold, or anything?
 
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Blahness said:
What, in the atom, dictate elemental properties?

I know that protons dictate different elements, but what part of an atom determines if it's a solid, gas, liquid, black, gold, or anything?

To the 1st order, the valence shell makes the most significant contribution to the property of the atom and even the molecules it form. These shells are typically the ones that are involved in most chemical reactions and properties of the element.

However, when they form a solid, then there are other equally important factors involved, such as how they together form and arrange themselves in such a solid. Carbon atoms arranged one way becomes a brittle and even soft graphite. Arrange the same atoms in another way, and it becomes one of the hardest substance known, diamond. So the formation and properties of a solid just does not depend on the individual property of the atom.

Zz.
 
Okay, but why would configurations create different properties?
 
Molecular structure, how atoms are arranged, gives rise to most of the properties a substance exibits at the macro level. You need to do a little research on molecules to get a basic understanding of just how structure plays such an important role in defining properties of materials.

This will get you started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecules
 
Blahness said:
Okay, but why would configurations create different properties?

For that, you have to open a solid-state physics text and learn about different types of crystal structures and why they cause different properties. A simple cubic structure, such as NaCl, for example, tends to be brittle and weakly bonded because each lattice ions are too far apart from each other. On the other hand, hexagonal closed pack configurations tend to be some of the hardest and strongest materials around since, by its name, each lattice ions are very tightly packed.

Zz.
 
Explore General Chemistry by Linus Pauling, one of the first to show how the electronic shell structure of atoms controls chemical bonding, for example. It's published by Dover, and is, at the very least, highly authoritative.
Regards,
Reilly Atkinson
 
But according to QM particles are an illusion. Also matter has other properties besides hardness. Electron configurations alone cannot account for all of them.
 
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But according to QM particles are an illusion.

You can't really say that (unless you go to rather high-energy phenomena). CLASSICAL "bullet" particles are an illusion,but particles as "lumps of quantum numbers" do just fine in the quantum mechanics needed to explain matter properties.

Also matter has other properties besides hardness. Electron configurations alone cannot account for all of them.

This is right, but it is nevertheless amazing how much properties are explained based upon electron configuration alone. I'd say that about everything you consider matter properties on everyday scale fall into this class (if we are also allowed to use a few properties of the nucleus, such as mass and charge).
But, as you say, there are a few properties that aren't explained purely by electron properties. Nuclear magnetic resonance comes to mind. And of course all nuclear phenomena.
 

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