Can Humans Survive in Space Without Heat Loss?

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The discussion revolves around the concept of heat loss in a vacuum, specifically regarding how quickly a human would cool down in space without external heat sources. It explores the mechanisms of heat transfer, particularly radiation, and compares the situation to that of a thermos flask.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the rate of heat loss for a human in space, suggesting that without external heat sources, the cooling process might be similar to that of coffee in a thermos flask.
  • Another participant clarifies that heat can be radiated through infrared radiation, which does not require a medium for transmission.
  • A participant seeks to compare the heat loss rates between coffee in a thermos and coffee in a sealed container outside of sunlight, pondering the factors that influence this rate.
  • There is a mention of the Stefan-Boltzmann Law as a means to estimate the rate of heat radiation, with a note that a person's temperature would fall exponentially in space, leveling off at around 3K.
  • One participant discusses the insulation properties of thermos flasks, noting that while conduction and convection are minimized, radiation still occurs, which is why reflective materials are used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the specifics of heat loss in space and the comparison to thermos flasks, indicating that multiple competing perspectives exist without a clear consensus on the rate of heat loss or the factors involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention several factors that could influence heat loss, including surface area, emissivity, heat capacity, and geometry, but do not reach a definitive conclusion on how these interact in the context of a human in space.

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A very non specific question about heat loss in a vacuum.

If you threw a human into space (with out worrying about his/her lungs bursting out) is there a rule of thumb about how fast he/she would cool down.

As there is molecules heat transfer can only be through radiation, and assuming he/she is not in the sun's path, there is no radiation adding heat and no molecules hitting him/her to add heat through kinetic energy.

So would they lose heat very quickly or would they be like coffee in a thermos flask and be perfectly insulated in space and only lose heat very slowly.

(This is probably very basic)
 
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Heat can be radiated via emission of IR (infrared) radiation. That's how the heat from the sun gets here. IR is an EM radiation, just like visible light, so it requires no medium for transmission.

Zz.
 
Yes, I was aware of that and hoped I made that clear when I (mis)wrote
"As there [are no] molecules heat transfer can only be through radiation"

[] represents my poor original writing corrected.

So as an analogy would it be correct to say that the rate of heat loss of coffee in thermos vacuum flask and the rate of heat loss of the same coffee in a sealed container outside of the sun's rays would be roughly the same?

ie, the heat would radiate away very slowly (comparitively) and that this rate would be determined by...? (the propensity of that particular material to produce IR radiation? Is that a fixed physical property?)

Ta
 
I guess in the thermos flask on Earth you would also have the coffee being heated by IR radiation from the outside.

Is it possible to estimate the rate of those two heat exchanges?
 
The rate at which heat is radiated away is given by the Stephan-Boltzmann Law. If the poor soul floating in space dies, and there is no heat being produced by the metabolism in his/her cells, then the temperature of the person will fall away exponentially, leveling off at about 3K.

The properties that determine the rate of heat radiation are primarily (i) the total surface area, (ii) the emissivity, and to a lesser extent, (iii) the heat capacity, (iv) the geometry of the radiator, and (v) the mean thermal conductivity of the body.
 
Thermos flasks are insulated via are vacuum to prevent heat loss due to conduction and convection. Heat can still be lost through radiation, and this is why thermos flasks have a highly reflective interior.

Claude.
 

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