GCD of x and y: Definition and Examples

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The discussion revolves around the definition and characterization of the greatest common divisor (gcd) of two elements, specifically in the context of integers and polynomials. Participants explore different formulations and interpretations of the gcd, including its properties and implications.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants define gcd(x, y) as the greatest common divisor, characterized by two equivalent statements involving divisibility and linear combinations.
  • One participant prefers a definition that emphasizes common divisors without requiring an ordering, suggesting that gcd(x, y) is a common divisor of x and y that all other common divisors divide.
  • Another participant argues that the characterization of gcd as the least nonzero linear combination is more useful, noting that it can be expressed in terms of divisibility for all linear combinations.
  • A humorous remark is made regarding the nature of the divisibility relation as a preordering, indicating a playful acknowledgment of the mathematical structure involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the most appropriate definition of gcd, with no consensus reached on which characterization is superior or more useful.

Contextual Notes

Some definitions rely on specific interpretations of ordering and divisibility, which may not be universally accepted. The discussion also touches on the applicability of these definitions beyond integers to polynomials, suggesting a broader context that may require additional clarification.

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What does the notation gcd(x,y) means?
 
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It stands for greatest common divisor. It has two equivalent characterizations:

d = gcd(x, y) iff d is the largest thing such that d|x and d|y.

d = gcd(x, y) iff d is the smallest nonzero thing of the form ux + vy. (u and v need not be greater than zero)


(Size is measured by absolute value. We always use the positive one)


Note that all of this makes sense for more than just integers -- for example, it works for polynomials if "size" is measured by degree. (We always choose the monic polynomial)
 
Hurkyl said:
It stands for greatest common divisor. It has two equivalent characterizations:

d = gcd(x, y) iff d is the largest thing such that d|x and d|y.

d = gcd(x, y) iff d is the smallest nonzero thing of the form ux + vy. (u and v need not be greater than zero)


(Size is measured by absolute value. We always use the positive one)


Note that all of this makes sense for more than just integers -- for example, it works for polynomials if "size" is measured by degree. (We always choose the monic polynomial)
I perfer a definition that does not require an ordering of element such as

gcd(x,y)=d iff d|x,y and if c|x,y then c|d
That is to say d is a common divisor of x and y
and
all common divisors of x and y divide d
 
Well, to be entirely silly, | is a (pre)ordering. :smile: (An actual partial ordering on things like the positive integers, or monic polynomials!)


I feel that the characterization as the least nonzero linear combination to be a generally more useful characterization, but I guess that gets translated in the same way: d = ux + vy, and d | ax + by for all a and b.
 

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