How do I find the acceleration of a double plane system with friction?

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The problem involves determining the acceleration of a double plane system with friction, specifically in the positive x direction. The original poster references a previous problem without friction and attempts to adapt their solution to include frictional forces.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to modify their previous solution by incorporating friction but questions the role of tension in the normal force. They also seek clarification on the meaning of the tension equation provided in their text.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's approach, suggesting that the inclusion of tension in the normal reaction may not be necessary. There is ongoing exploration of the implications of the tension equation from the textbook, with differing interpretations being discussed.

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The original poster is working within the constraints of their textbook and is seeking clarification on concepts that may not be fully understood. There is an indication of uncertainty regarding the application of tension and its effects on the system's dynamics.

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In this problem I'm asked to find the acceleration in the positive x direction.

How do you solve problems like this? I solved one earlier just like this except sans friction and I used (and it worked)

a = (m1g sin(alpha) - m2g sin (beta))/(m1+m2)

so for this one I tried a = ((m1g sin(alpha) - m1(mu)g cos(alpha)) - (m2g sin (beta) - m2(mu)g cos(beta))/(m1+m2)

I think the problem is that I didn't include the tension of the other block when finding a blocks normal force, but I'm not sure how to go about finding this.

Also, In our text, for a mass hanging straight down held by a string, it gives the equation Tension - mg = -ma

does this just mean that the force of tension minus the force of gravity equals the total acceleration of the mass?

Much thanks to anyone who contributes some advice or direction.

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anybody? on either question?
 
No need to add tension in the normal reaction because it is tangential. Looks good.

Ind second why -ma ? If a is unknown you will get the correct sign automatically, only + acc. will be upward.
 
that's what i thought, but that's what's in the text
 
If there is no any other reference it looks odd.
Even then before considering it wrong show it to your prof.
 

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