Why its happened - spring things

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of a mass hanging on a spring when subjected to perpendicular vibrations, specifically addressing why horizontal vibrations may emerge after vertical vibrations are damped. The scope includes conceptual explanations and technical reasoning related to oscillatory motion and energy transfer in springs.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that horizontal swings may initially be small compared to vertical swings, making them less noticeable at first.
  • Another participant suggests that vertical motion is damped more quickly due to energy loss in the spring, while horizontal motion is damped primarily by air friction.
  • A participant questions the mechanism behind the pendulum effect in the absence of air friction, proposing that energy conservation would lead to an increase in horizontal motion after vertical damping.
  • Another response indicates that the energy lost in vertical motion is converted to heat in the spring, implying that horizontal motion will not increase as a result.
  • It is mentioned that the period of horizontal swing is dependent on the length of the spring, which changes until the system stabilizes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between vertical and horizontal motion, particularly regarding energy conservation and the effects of damping. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing explanations presented.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions regarding the absence of air friction and the nature of energy transfer in the spring that are not fully explored. The dependency of horizontal motion on mass and spring stretch is also noted but not conclusively addressed.

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Sometimes after few moments of perpendicularly vibrate the mass hang on a spring, starts vibrate horizontal. I must know why it happened ? any books or answers are see pleasant .
 
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One simple explanation is that the horizontal swings are initially small compared to the vertical, so you don't notice it at first. However the vertical is damped much faster because it involves the stretching of the spring while the horizontal swing is a pendulum effect damped only by air friction.
 
ok it is pendulum effect but how it's happened' for exampel i don't have air friction so the energy is constans, after damped the vertical swings, the horizontal motion will grow big?
and my second question is how the horizontal motion depend on the mass and the stretch of spring ?
 
The energy of the vertical motion gets lost as heat in the spring (otherwise it wouldn't damp). The horizontal motion won't increase.

As for the second question, the period of the swing depends on the length of the spring. Since the length will be variable until it stops springing, the horizontal motion appears to be fairly complicated.
 

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