Why is it easier to measure overall structure of Andromeda Galaxy than

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The discussion centers on the comparative ease of measuring the overall structure of the Andromeda Galaxy versus the Milky Way Galaxy. It touches on observational challenges and techniques related to both galaxies, including visibility in different wavelengths and the effects of interstellar material.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Andromeda's overall structure is easier to measure because it is visible in light, allowing for clearer photographs, while the Milky Way requires radio and infrared imaging due to dust and gas obscuring views.
  • One participant compares observing the Milky Way to holding a book edge-on, noting that while certain aspects can be seen clearly, the overall structure is harder to grasp.
  • Another participant points out that while Andromeda's structure is easier to observe, internal details are more challenging to discern due to its distance.
  • A participant mentions the number of globular clusters in the Milky Way compared to the giant elliptical galaxy M87, suggesting that M87's structure can be observed in greater detail.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that Andromeda's overall structure is easier to measure than that of the Milky Way, but there is no consensus on the implications of this ease or the specifics of internal details that can be observed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to observational techniques, such as the impact of interstellar gas on visibility and the challenges of measuring internal details from a distance.

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Why is it easier to measure overall structure of Andromeda Galaxy than to measure Milky Way Galaxy?
 
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Originally posted by BFern
Why is it easier to measure overall structure of Andromeda Galaxy than to measure Milky Way Galaxy?
Because we can see the whole thing in visable light, and take neat photos, while it takes Radio and IR imaging to see through the dust and gasses blocking our view of most of our own Milky Way. Because we have to "see" our own galaxy edge-on, no neat spiral structure; we are in it.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap021021.html

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap020719.html

Labguy
 
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It's like holding a book right up to your face edge on, you can certain aspects of it's structure quite cleraly but you can't really see the bigger picture, add to this all the interstellar gas around the galactic nuclei which makes that region very difficult to observe.
 
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Note that it's easier to see Andromeda's overall structure, but harder to see the internal details (because it's so far away).
 
Originally posted by Phobos
Welcome to Physics Forums, BFern!

Note that it's easier to see Andromeda's overall structure, but harder to see the internal details (because it's so far away).
To add, and just for someone to look up if interested, somewhere on the web you can find an unbelievable photo of the giant elliptical galaxy M87. They say our Milky Way has about 150-200 Globular Clusters (I think more), but the photo of M87 shows good detail in the galaxy and ~10,000 (yes, ten thousand) globular clusters in the halo.

Labguy

EDIT: Here it is: (larger photo would be nice)
http://www.seds.org/messier/Jpg/m87.jpg From:
http://www.seds.org/messier/more/m-aat.html
A "keeper"
 
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