Quantum measurement and prediction

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of quantum prediction, its relationship to quantum mechanics, and how it compares to classical prediction. Participants explore whether quantum prediction can influence outcomes and the implications of interpretations like Many Worlds. The conversation includes technical aspects of quantum measurement and the role of the wavefunction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether genuine prediction operates more effectively through quantum mechanics than through psychological means.
  • There is uncertainty about the definition and implications of "quantum prediction" and its relation to the wavefunction and Many Worlds interpretation.
  • One participant asserts that the wavefunction is essential for all predictions in quantum mechanics, emphasizing the mathematical framework of Hilbert space.
  • Another participant challenges the idea of quantum prediction leading to macroscopic self-fulfilling prophecies, suggesting that the correspondence principle requires many measurements to function effectively.
  • Questions arise regarding the reliability of quantum predictions compared to classical predictions, with differing interpretations of what constitutes "accuracy" in predictions.
  • Participants discuss the concept of probabilities in quantum mechanics, noting that not all outcomes are equally probable and that experimental constraints can aid in making predictions.
  • There is a call for clarification on terms like "genuine prediction" and "quantum prediction," indicating a lack of consensus on these definitions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the nature of quantum prediction, its definitions, and its implications. Participants express confusion and seek clarification on key terms and concepts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying interpretations of quantum mechanics, the dependence on definitions of prediction, and the unresolved nature of the relationship between quantum prediction and classical prediction.

Loren Booda
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Does the process of genuine prediction act most readily through quantum mechanics, as opposed to psychically or psychologically?

Can observers influence the environment through the action of "quantum prediction" as they do quantum measurement?

Does quantum prediction rely on the statistics of a quantum wavefunction, resembling the possibilities inherent to the Many Worlds interpretation or the infinite dimensionality of Hilbert space states?

Can quantum prediction effect macroscopic self-fulfilling prophesy through the correspondence principle?

Is accurate quantum prediction much more common than classical prediction?

Please forgive my difficulty in responding.
 
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Loren Booda said:
Does quantum prediction rely on the statistics of a quantum wavefunction, resembling the possibilities inherent to the Many Worlds interpretation or the infinite dimensionality of Hilbert space states?

Hmm, I'm not sure what you mean by this question. The answer is that the wavefunction is necessary for all prediction in QM, because that's how it is defined. I have no idea what it means to resemble a Hilbert space. The mathematics takes place in a Hilbert space, rather than resembling it. I'm also not sure what is meant by resembling the possibilities inherent to many world interpretation. The MWI is an interpretation; what does it mean to say the thing you are interpreting resembles your interpretation? Am I reading your question wrong?

Can quantum prediction effect macroscopic self-fulfilling prophesy through the correspondence principle?

I'm a little confused here as well, however I think the answer is simply no. The correspondence principle requires many measurements to operate.

Is accurate quantum prediction much more common than classical prediction?

I don't know. Do you mean that, if we were able to add up every time a QM prediction was accurately made by someone and every time a classical prediction was made by someone, one would be more than the other? Or do you mean something else - for instance, maybe you are asking if QM is more reliable than classical predictions?

Sorry if I asked more questions than I answered.
 
If you observe a quantum system with some Hilbert space of states (it need not necessarily be infinite dimensional), the states are projected onto a "spectrum" which among other things gives the probabilities of different possible outcomes of your observation. As these probabilities are not in general equal, some outcomes are more probable than others, and in particular experimental situations you can make good predictions of what will happen.

This is because in an experiment you can constrain what outcomes are possible at all, and reduce the spectrum to a few choices. In this sense you can use quantum mechanics to make predictions. But note that you had to build this ability into your experiment in the first place. This is akin to the "preparation" of the system for observation that Bohr laid so much stress on.
 
selfAdjoint said:
As these probabilities are not in general equal, some outcomes are more probable than others
with respect, selfAdjoint, does this really tell us anything? ...(probabilities are not equal = some outcomes are more probable than others)?
selfAdjoint said:
and in particular experimental situations you can make good predictions of what will happen.
again with respect I think this should read "you can make good predictions of what is most likely to happen"... but again does this really tell us anything?
MF
 
Loren Booda said:
Does the process of genuine prediction act most readily through quantum mechanics, as opposed to psychically or psychologically?

What is "genuine prediction" please?

Loren Booda said:
Can observers influence the environment through the action of "quantum prediction" as they do quantum measurement?

What is "quantum prediction" please?

MF
 

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