How Do You Calculate Freezing and Boiling Points of Solutions?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the freezing and boiling points of solutions using colligative properties, specifically focusing on problems involving glycerol and glucose in water. Participants seek clarification on the concepts of molality and molarity, and how to apply these to solve the given problems.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about colligative properties and requests step-by-step help with specific problems involving glycerol and glucose.
  • Another participant corrects the initial formula provided, clarifying that molality is defined as moles of solute per mass of solvent, rather than the formula initially cited.
  • There is a misunderstanding about the difference between molality and molarity, with participants discussing the correct definitions and applications of each.
  • A participant mentions the need to determine the number of particles for calculating boiling and freezing points, referencing an ion chart for guidance.
  • One participant indicates they have already submitted their assignment but still seeks clarification on the necessity of the number of particles for boiling point calculations.
  • Another participant asks for details on how to approach the second problem regarding glucose, specifically how to incorporate the mass of water into the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the need to use molality for the calculations, but there is confusion regarding the definitions of molality and molarity, as well as the application of the number of particles in the context of boiling and freezing points. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific calculations for the problems presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct formulas and the application of concepts, indicating potential limitations in their understanding of colligative properties and the specific requirements for the calculations.

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I need help on colligative properties. I'm just Really really confused so it's better to explain this to me in steps. Anyone who took chemistry or who gets it please help!:cry: Just take a look at the problem =] thankyou

first question What is the freezing point of a soulution of 210.0 g of glycerol, HOCH2CHOHCH2OH, dissolved in 350 g of water?

-Formula: m=mol* # of particles/kg
I'm trying to find m
so far i got m=2.282608696 Mol * # of particles/.35 kg.
I have trouble finding the # of particles.

Second question A 0.171 g sample of an unkown organic compound is dissolved in ether. the soulution has a toatl mass of 2.470 g. The boiling point of the solution is 36.43 degree C. What is the molasr mass of the organic compound?
 
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Ai_Shinya said:
I need help on colligative properties. I'm just Really really confused so it's better to explain this to me in steps. Anyone who took chemistry or who gets it please help!:cry: Just take a look at the problem =] thankyou
first question What is the freezing point of a soulution of 210.0 g of glycerol, HOCH2CHOHCH2OH, dissolved in 350 g of water?
-Formula: m=mol* # of particles/kg
I'm trying to find m
so far i got m=2.282608696 Mol * # of particles/.35 kg.
I have trouble finding the # of particles.
I'll start helping with the first one...

I think what you're trying to solve for is molality, but you don't have the formula right.

molality = moles of solute/mass of solvent

You have the mass as a given, so you need to find the number of moles of solute (glycerol in this case). You'll have to determine the molecular weight of the glycerol (remember, the units for molecular weight are g/mol), and use that to determine the number of moles in 210.0 g.

Do you then know how to use the molality to determine the freezing point depression?
 
Hmm I'm still confused. Cuz that's the formula given by our chem teacher.
For molarity it's =moles(# of particles/kg)
I'm tyring to find molarity not molality l0l
thanks tho! ^^
 
Ai_Shinya said:
Hmm I'm still confused. Cuz that's the formula given by our chem teacher.
For molarity it's =moles(# of particles/kg)
Molarity is moles/liter. Check your textbook, you may have gotten it mixed up in your notes. All the words sound very similar, so it's easy to make mistakes during notetaking.

A mole is 6.02X10^23 molecules (that's Avogadro's number).

I'm tyring to find molarity not molality l0l
thanks tho! ^^
Yes, you need molality, not molarity. :smile:
 
Ai : Tell us what you plan to do after you find the concentration, 'm' (which, as Moonbear says, should be a molality).

Also, show what you've tried with the 2nd problem if you want to be helped with it.
 
l0l it's ok now, I've already turned it in. About the # of particles my teacher who hardly helps at all =( said that you need to know that for the boiling pt and the freezing pt. To find it you have to look at the ion chart that we're supposed to have and see if that solution is there. If it is it tells you how much it is on the top. the [-1 or +2 that thing] if it's not there then you put 1 as the # of particles. I know how to find the # of particles but then I'm still confused is there SUPPOSE to be a # of particle for boiling pt bc he said there's one for the freezing pt.

[question] calculate the freezing pt and boiling pt of a solution of 383 g. of glucose(C6H12O6), dissolved in 400 g of water.

Formula that i used
FBf=FBi+m(freezing constant)
m=g/g/mol
=0+m(freezing constant)
Now i don't know what to do with the 400 g of water and the 383 g of glucose. Are we suppose to plug in 383 as the g to find the molarity? and where do we plug in the 400 g of water?
 

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