Understanding the Manhattan Project: Questions about the Bombs

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The discussion revolves around various questions and confusions regarding the mechanics of the atomic bombs developed during the Manhattan Project, specifically focusing on the Uranium model (Little Boy). Topics include the role of neutron initiators, the conditions for achieving supercritical mass, the implications of spontaneous fission, and the nature of fission in bombs versus reactors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the necessity of a neutron initiator in the Uranium bomb model, suggesting that while it may help, it is not strictly required for fission to occur.
  • Concerns are raised about the timing of bringing the two Uranium pieces together quickly enough to avoid spontaneous fission, with some participants explaining that a slow collision could lead to incomplete fission and reduced explosive yield.
  • Participants assert that both pieces of Uranium are subcritical when separated and become critical when combined, but the transition to supercritical requires rapid assembly.
  • There is uncertainty regarding why neutrons reflected from neutron deflectors do not cause premature fission, with some suggesting that the lack of critical mass prevents this from happening.
  • Discussion includes the distinction between controlled fission in nuclear reactors and the uncontrolled fission in atomic bombs, with varying definitions of what constitutes "controlled" fission.
  • Some participants propose that neutron initiators are necessary to enhance the efficiency of the fission process, allowing for a more rapid onset of the chain reaction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the necessity and function of neutron initiators, the conditions for achieving supercritical mass, and the nature of fission in bombs versus reactors. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views present.

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Participants reference specific technical aspects of nuclear fission, including the roles of neutron initiators and reflectors, but there are limitations in the clarity of definitions and assumptions regarding the mechanics involved.

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I'm doing a report on the Manhattan Project and there are a few things I don't understand about the bombs.
(1) In the Uranium model (Little Boy), there are two separate containers of Uranium. They get shot together and attain supercritical mass. Looking at the diagram on this page:http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/nuc.bomb.html#IV.A , I don't see where the neutron initiator is in the Uranium model. If I'm not mistaken, once supercritical mass is achieved, there's still needs to be a neutron initiator to get the chain reaction going.
(2) There's also talk about how the two Uranium pieces needed to brought together quick enough so that spontaneous fission doesn't occur and fizzle the bomb out. I don't understand why the period of time where the one piece is shot into the other is particularly susceptible to spontaneous fission. Wouldn't spontaneous fission be possible in the plane ride up there and where it was being stored in the first place?
(3) At what level are each of the two Uranium pieces at while they're separated (not yet critical, critical...)?
(4) How come neutrons that are reflected back from the neutron deflector in either the Uranium or the Plutonium models don't bring about a premature fission?
(5) When the bomb eventually explodes, is the fission controlled or is controlled nuclear fission only used for testing in labs and stuff?
(6) Why are neutron initiators needed in the first place? Why not just successfully get the fissionable material to supercritical mass and then spontaneous fission set off the chain reaction?

I'm a little confused. Thanks!
(...and sorry if this is the wrong forum.)
 
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1. The gun barrel barrel type bomb didn't need a neutron source because, unlike Plutonium, Uranium can fission without the need of a nuetron initiator.
2. I think the U-238 neutron shield was used for just such a reason; to prevent accidential spontaneous fission (the fizzle kind, not an all out explosion). Supercritical mass is needed to make the now one piece (due to the fusing of both peices of uranium) fission uncontrollably
3. Both pieces are sub-critical, put them together and they are critical but not uncontrollable. If fused together quickly, they are supercritical...I think...
4. I don't know about this one.
5. The fission of an atomic bomb is uncontrolled. Controlled fission is used in nuclear power plants.
6. You don't have initiators with Uranium bombs. But Plutonium doesn't have fast enough neutrons to initiate a reaction on its own so it needs a neutron source that gives off faster neutrons.

It's not everything but I hope it helps.
 
Originally posted by Jeebus
(1) In the Uranium model (Little Boy), there are two separate containers of Uranium. They get shot together and attain supercritical mass. Looking at the diagram on this page:http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/nuc.bomb.html#IV.A , I don't see where the neutron initiator is in the Uranium model. If I'm not mistaken, once supercritical mass is achieved, there's still needs to be a neutron initiator to get the chain reaction going.[/b]

While I do not think a gun barrel bomb requires an initiator, one would help jumpstart the chain reaction.

(2) There's also talk about how the two Uranium pieces needed to brought together quick enough so that spontaneous fission doesn't occur and fizzle the bomb out. I don't understand why the period of time where the one piece is shot into the other is particularly susceptible to spontaneous fission. Wouldn't spontaneous fission be possible in the plane ride up there and where it was being stored in the first place?

What you want to avoid is a (relatively) slow collision between the subcritical components. Otherwise the incomplete fission would reduce the explosive yield. What they mean by spontaneous fission is an explosion triggered by neutrons from spontaneous fission (rather than an initiator). This would reduce the fission mass confinement before an acceptable level of chain reaction has been completed.

If the masses aren't close enough, the early chain reaction will generate enough heat and explosive force to separate the unreacted uranium, thus choking off the exponential progression of the chain reaction. With the mass in a smaller volume, the exponential progression proceeds at a faster rate. This allows for less required fissionable material for a given explosive yield.

This problem is so pronouced in plutonium type bombs that implosion of a sphere of plutonium is the only way to get the required mass into the critical volume fast enough to prevent a fizzled explosion.


(3) At what level are each of the two Uranium pieces at while they're separated (not yet critical, critical...)?

I presume by level you mean subcritical, critical, supercritical.

Subcritical is the answer.

(4) How come neutrons that are reflected back from the neutron deflector in either the Uranium or the Plutonium models don't bring about a premature fission?

Reflectors aren't perfect reflectors, even if they were, the lack of critical mass would mean the number of neutrons present wouldn't be enough tip the chain reaction into the required exponential curve.

Reasons for reflectors:

Think about a fission based explosion in terms of exponential chain reaction - each neutron triggering two more neutrons, in an exponential progression.

Now, realize that many of the neutrons will not hit another nucleus, thus be wasted. The more material they have to travel thru the higher the chance of colliding with another nucleus. The more fissionable material you can get into a fixed volume, the higher the chance that a neutron will hit another nucleus, rather than escape. Using a reflector (U238/Lead), will enable you to get a second chance with the neutrons that have left the fissionable mass, by reflecting them back into the fissionable mass. This will reduce the critical mass needed for a successful nuclear explosion.

A second benefit of reflectors is to confinement. The mass of the reflector helps keep the fissionable material in a more confined space, until the exponential progression has exhaused most fissionable fuel.



(5) When the bomb eventually explodes, is the fission controlled or is controlled nuclear fission only used for testing in labs and stuff?

Define controlled.

The bombmaker would consider the exponential chain reaction, such that the majority of the fissionable material is converted into chain reaction breakdown products, giving a maximum energy yield, to be controlled.

A nuclear reactor officer on a sub would consider an exponential chain reaction a very bad thing, therefore uncontrolled.


(6) Why are neutron initiators needed in the first place? Why not just successfully get the fissionable material to supercritical mass and then spontaneous fission set off the chain reaction?

More efficient use of fissionable material - exponential reaction rates (first derivative) are slow, at first (relatively), progressing to more and more rapid. Since slow reactions can cause the fissionable material lose confinement (due to explosively dissipation) before the exponential progression has consumed an acceptable amount of the fissionable material, this is undesireable.
What the initiator does is start the reaction a little further along the exponential curve, into the more rapid portion of the reaction. This allows for less required fissionable material for a given explosive yield.
 
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In the context of fission (reactors or bombs), mu is the average number of neutrons per fission.

Added note, I thought is was nu, not mu.
 
If you are referring to my tagline, the question (koan) is about a thousand years old, so the context is probably not nuclear physics.
 

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