Proving Non-Existence of Limit: (x^4)y/(x^2-y^2) using Prof's Hint

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The discussion revolves around proving the non-existence of the limit of the expression \(\frac{(x^4)y}{x^2-y^2}\) as \((x,y)\) approaches \((0,0)\). Participants are exploring the implications of the denominator approaching zero faster than the numerator, as suggested by the professor.

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  • Participants discuss various approaches to evaluate the limit, including substituting \(x = (y + \epsilon)\) and analyzing the behavior of the function as \(\epsilon\) approaches zero. Questions are raised about the significance of approaching the limit along different paths and the implications of the denominator's behavior compared to the numerator.

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Participants are actively engaging with each other's ideas, with some clarifying the context of the limit being evaluated at \((0,0)\). There is recognition of the need to consider different paths to determine the limit's existence, and some guidance has been offered regarding the professor's hint about the rates at which the numerator and denominator approach zero.

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There is an acknowledgment of the importance of the specific paths taken towards \((0,0)\) and the potential for differing results based on these paths. The discussion also highlights the professor's hint regarding the relative rates of the numerator and denominator approaching zero, which remains a point of inquiry.

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All i need to do is show that the limit of

[(x^4)y]/[x^2-y^2] Does not exist (a proof, i guess). My prof's hint was that the denominator goes to zero faster than the numerator.

What I did was I let x=(y+epsilon), and looked at the function as epsilon goes toward zero. This leads to the denominator going to zero, and the numerator to y^5. Does this make sense? How would you do it?
 
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Whether or not a limit exists, as well as what the limit is if it does exists, depends very strongly what (x,y) point you are converging to!

Can I assume that this limit is to be taken as (x,y)-> (0,0)?

A good way of showing a limit does not exist is to show that approaching the point along different paths gives different results or that the limit along anyone path is infinity.

What do you get if you approach (0, 0) along the path y= 0? (In other words, let y= 0 and then take x->0.) What do you get if you approach (0,0) along the line y= -x? (In other words, let y= -x and then take x->0.)

Letting [itex]y= x+\epsilon[/itex] and then letting [itex]\epsilon[/itex] go to 0 just move you to the line y= x where the function is not defined. It does not, directly, tell you anything about the limit at (0,0).
 
Firstly,thanks for your help.

Secondly, yes, I meant the limit as (x,y)->(0,0).

I see what you mean about my method using epsilon, and I understand what you wrote about the limit differing along different paths to (0,0). One thing still bothers me, though. Why does my prof constantly mention the denominator going to 0 faster than the numerator being the key to this problem. I believe his exact words were that "x^2-y^2 goes to 0 faster than r^3".
 
I assume your professor told you this to try and show you how it may be possible to 'predict' whether or not a limit exists. Looking if a nom/denom goes faster to 0 can be a way too see if the limit exists or not, but it isn't a solid proof!
 

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