Why do motorless cars prioritize light weight over heavier weight?

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The discussion revolves around the reasons why motorless cars prioritize lightweight designs over heavier ones in racing contexts. Participants explore concepts related to energy, drag, friction, and the dynamics of motion, with references to examples from popular media and personal experiences.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that in a vacuum without drag, both light and heavy cars would roll down a hill at the same speed, implying that mass alone does not determine performance.
  • Another participant counters that friction plays a significant role and is not negligible, especially in practical scenarios, indicating that the dynamics of motion are more complex than just mass.
  • A third participant references an experiment from Mythbusters, noting that lighter toy cars can accelerate faster initially due to lower mass, but heavier cars may ultimately prevail once in motion.
  • A fourth participant mentions the Pinewood Derby, where heavier cars often perform better, suggesting that practical experiences may contradict the initial analysis regarding weight and speed.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion reveals multiple competing views regarding the impact of weight on performance in motorless car racing. There is no consensus on whether lighter cars are inherently better, as participants highlight different factors such as drag, friction, and practical experiences.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying assumptions about the role of drag and friction, with some suggesting these factors are negligible while others argue they are significant. The discussion also reflects differing interpretations of experimental outcomes and anecdotal evidence.

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Readers interested in physics, engineering, and the dynamics of motion, particularly in the context of racing and vehicle design, may find this discussion relevant.

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If you've ever seen races where cars are just rolling down a hill with no engine, you would notice that they always emphasize how light their car is. Why? Isn't heavier better? Just follow me through my thinking here and see where the error is.

assumption 1: all objects, without drag (look at that later), fall at the same speed.
A 100kg car and a 1000kg car will roll down the hill at exactly the same rate if there is absolutely no drag or friction.

assumption 2: energy in this race is entirely dependent on mass.
Both the 100kg and 1000kg car are starting at the same relative height on the hill, so the only factor is mass.

assumption 3: drag is based on shape and velocity
The 100kg and 1000kg cars have the same shape and go the same speed (assumption 1 with a bit of error, just follow along)

assumption 4: friction from the wheels is negligable compared to air drag
The wheels on these cars are just paper thin, but the cars in these races can go pretty fast which makes considerable drag.

assumption 5: effective energy in the system is based on potential energy (good) and drag (bad); just subtract the two

E = m*g*h - drag

Just say g is 10 to make this easier, m is 100 and 1000 for the cars, and let's say h is 100 meters. Also let's just say drag is 20. Here would be the 100kg car:
E = (100)(10)(100) - 20
E = 99980 Joules

Here would be the 1000kg car:
E = (1000)(10)(100) - 20
E = 999980 Joules

Now put that into the kinetic energy equation (E = 0.5mv^2).
100kg car = 44.71688719 m/s
1000kg car = 44.72091233 m/s

You can see that the tank of a car goes slightly faster because the drag has less effect on it. If this is the case, why do they care so much about weight?

Vague unscientific evidence for my theory:
If you remember from one episode of mythbusters, where Jamie and Adam are racing their designs for toy cars, Adam's design won because it was essentially just a block of metal with some wheels whereas Jamie's slower design was made of wood. Heavy things are just faster when the energy is provided by gravity.
 
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I'm almost certain friction is the reason they won't. It is not at all negligable until you get down to systems such as locomotives that run with very small surface areas contacting the ground i believe.
 
Ever see the mythbusters where the comapred to toy car on a track to a dodge viper. The toy licked the viper for the frist 100 yards because it had less weigh and was easier to start moving but once the viper got going it prevailed.
 
Pinewood Derby cars have a 5g MAX mass. The goal is to get your car as close to the max as possible. The common experience is that heavy cars come out ahead.

So according to the Cub Scouts your anaylsis is correct.:approve:
 

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