Letter of Recommendations/Networking

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the importance of internships and co-ops for undergraduate students in computer engineering, particularly regarding networking, recommendations, and the impact on graduation timelines. Participants share their experiences and perspectives on how these opportunities can influence career prospects and academic achievements.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about pursuing internships or co-ops due to concerns about delaying graduation while balancing summer classes.
  • Another participant argues that co-ops and internships are valuable, even if they extend graduation, as they provide experience and can lead to full-time positions with seniority benefits.
  • A different viewpoint suggests that while faculty recommendations can be important for graduate school applications, they may not significantly impact hiring decisions in industry.
  • One participant shares their decision to take a semester off to pursue an internship, emphasizing the long-term benefits of gaining experience and finding a suitable career path.
  • Another participant highlights the demand for software engineers in investment banks, suggesting that internships in such firms can be financially rewarding and beneficial for career advancement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the value of internships and co-ops for gaining experience, but there is no consensus on the necessity of delaying graduation or the impact of faculty recommendations on hiring decisions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention specific industries and companies, indicating that experiences may vary significantly based on the field of study and job market conditions. The discussion reflects differing priorities regarding academic timelines and professional experience.

Who May Find This Useful

Undergraduate students in engineering or computer science, particularly those considering internships or co-ops, as well as those interested in networking and recommendations for future academic or career opportunities.

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I have heard from many of my fellow upper classmates who have graduated and gone to work in the industry that a college degree mainly gets you into the door and that networking with people in the industry goes a long way. I am currently a third year undergrad studying computer engineering. I have no actual relevant experience in this field and I am not sure I should pursue an intership or co-op. This is because I plan to take classes during the summer so I can graduate in time. An internship and especially a co-op would definitely delay my graduation. Can anyone tell me a little about internships and co-ops?

Also I am applying for my campus's scholarships. In my three years here as a student, I have never received a scholarship for my academic accomplishments. I have a very strong gpa (3.84), and I am making good progress towards my degree. However I must say that I do not have time between labs, engineering homework, and studying to do any extracurricular activities. Along with that, I do not have a strong contact with most of my professors. How much does a recomendation from a professor matter? Especially if that professor is the head of a department?
 
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A co-op or internship is a very god thing to have under your belt, even if it delays your graduation by a semseter or two. We routinely hire our co-ops to full time positions, the best part about that is that they have some experience and have an idea of what they want to do. Where I am employed, the co-op time counts towards seniority, so for example you do six months of co-op time with me, if you get hired and start on say July 1st, your actual start date for employment will be readjusted to Jan 1st, thus giving you six months seniority the day you walk in, that is six months earlier you get your perks later down the road. For example vacation time, etc...

As for great letters from faculty, I don't really count on them to tell a good story. If you are trying to go to graduate school, that is different but I have not had an instance where a faculty letter of reference has been the difference in whether or not I make a reccomedation to hire someone.
 
Thank you Dr Transport for your insight. I will besure to look into co-ops and internships.
 
I am in same situation. Third year student. Since I am going for grad school, I have decided to take one semester off and do a internship.

You will be out of school for the rest of your life, so spending about 4-6 months getting some experience and figuring out what you like to do is not a bad idea. It might help get the job you want rather than getting stuck with a job you don't like.

Internship is not a bad idea if the circumstances permit. Good luck.
 
It's necessary to get some experience under your belt, especially in the field of software engineering. I don't know what university you are at, but investment banks are crying out for good software engineers. Take a look at the likes of Goldman Sachs, Citigroup and Morgan Stanley. They offer summer placements, internships and co-ops. They pay good money too. The starting wage for a computer software engineer in the UK with Morgan Stanley is £35,000 plus £4000 starting bonus (you'll have to do the conversion, I'm afraid).

I'm also a third year CS student.
 

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