Max-Min problem - solve only with calculus

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The discussion revolves around finding the maximum area of a triangle inscribed in a circle of radius r, specifically focusing on the properties of isosceles triangles and the use of calculus in the proof process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the triangle's area and its geometric properties, particularly questioning how to prove the triangle must be isosceles. There are attempts to connect the maximum area to the height of the triangle and its relationship to the chord.

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Some participants have provided insights into the geometric reasoning behind the isosceles nature of the triangle, suggesting that the maximum area occurs when the third vertex is positioned on the perpendicular bisector of the chord. However, there is still uncertainty regarding the proof process and the handling of variables in calculus.

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Participants express varying levels of confidence in their proof skills, with some indicating a struggle with the mathematical rigor required for the problem. There is an emphasis on using calculus to derive the necessary conditions for maximizing the area.

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What is the maximum possible area for a triangle inscribed in a circle of radius r?

So the triangle must be an isosceles one. How do we know that, and how do we prove that? And then how should we proceed?

Thanks!

the scarlet macaw
 
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Two points on the circle define a chord. A third point defines a triangle. Use the chord as the base and the third point will give the maximum area when it's perpedicular distance from the chord (height of triangle) is a maximum. You should have no trouble determining that the maximum height occurs when the third point is on the perpendicular bisector of the chord - i.e. it is an isosceles triangle.

The rest is trivial using the vertex angle at the third point as your variable.
 
how do you prove the isosceles-ness of the triangle? I am thinking about trying to set dh/d(theta) = 0 somehow, but other variables keep on getting into the way. Sorry, it may seem clear to y'all, but I am very weak in proofs.
 
As I indicated before, you will find the third vertex of the triangle to lie on the perpendicular bisector of the chord. Draw a line from the vertex to the base (chord). That line bisects the chord so you can see two right triangles. Their bases are identical and the line you just drew is common to both. Therefore, the two triangles are congruent so your original triangle is isosceles.
 

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