Newton's laws violation consequences

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Discussion Overview

The discussion explores hypothetical scenarios regarding the violation of Newton's laws of motion, specifically focusing on the first, second, and third laws. Participants speculate on the potential consequences and implications of such violations in both theoretical and imaginative contexts.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that if Newton's third law were violated, it could lead to scenarios where conservation of energy is no longer applicable.
  • One participant proposes that the first law could be violated if objects began moving spontaneously, leading to chaotic and unpredictable behavior.
  • Another viewpoint indicates that violating the second law would result in an inability to predict the acceleration of objects based on applied force, potentially causing inconsistencies in motion.
  • There is a suggestion that if the first law were violated, the world might resemble a horror movie with unpredictable movements, while the second law's violation would create confusion about object trajectories.
  • One participant humorously notes that a violation of the third law could allow a chemical rocket to accelerate without expelling fuel as exhaust.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the speculative nature of the discussion, with multiple competing views on the implications of violating each of Newton's laws. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific consequences and interpretations of these hypothetical violations.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying degrees of imagination and technical reasoning in their responses, with some relying on metaphorical scenarios while others attempt to articulate the physical implications of the laws. The discussion does not resolve the uncertainties surrounding the consequences of such violations.

Mt. Nixion
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Do not get me wrong when I ask this question. I know laws cannot be violated.
However, if Newton's third law were violated, what would the consequences be?
Also how would Newton's first and second law be violated and what would the consequences be?
 
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Mt. Nixion said:
Do not get me wrong when I ask this question. I know laws cannot be violated.
However, if Newton's third law were violated, what would the consequences be?
Also how would Newton's first and second law be violated and what would the consequences be?
It depends on the extent of violation. If it is one part in 10^45 the consequence would not be very great. If they did not apply at all, we would have a very different world.

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The first law could be violated if something just all of a sudden started moving for no reason. I guess the world would seem like a bad horror movie where ghosts and poltergeists roamed free!

The second law... again, odd world. You'd push an object and you'd really have no idea where it would go.

If the third law was violated... well there goes the whole idea of conservation of energy.
 
Pengwuino said:
The first law could be violated if something just all of a sudden started moving for no reason. I guess the world would seem like a bad horror movie where ghosts and poltergeists roamed free!

The second law... again, odd world. You'd push an object and you'd really have no idea where it would go.

If the third law was violated... well there goes the whole idea of conservation of energy.

Could you explain in more detail on the second and third laws? Also, how does violating the third law affect conservation of energy?
 
Well if objects in motion did not have to stay in motion etc etc. things could just move for no reason and stop for no reason. there's really no more detail that I can tell ya, if laws start breaking, all bets are off.

The second law is F=ma. Well if this law doesn't apply anymore, you can no longer tell what an object will accelerate at if you push it. For all we know, you could end up using the same force to push a refrigerator vs pushing a basketball and have them both go the same speed.

The third law basically means an object could gain kinetic energy without having to do any work on anything. It would be like trying to walk on a frictionless surface. You have no way of doing work so you don't go anywhere. If you didn't have the third law, you could start moving and violate conservation of energy without having to use a frictional force on the surface.
 
If Newton's third law were violated a chemical rocket could accelerate without the burnt fuel ever leaving as exhaust! :)
 

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