Calculate the net torque about the axle of the wheel

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The problem involves calculating the net torque about the axle of a wheel, considering various forces acting on it and a friction torque that opposes the motion. The context is related to rotational dynamics and torque calculations.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the effects of multiple forces on the wheel's rotation, questioning the direction of the friction torque and its impact on the net torque calculation. There is also consideration of the units involved, particularly regarding the friction torque.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with participants providing insights into the direction of forces and the implications of the friction torque. One participant has confirmed a revised calculation based on the direction of motion and friction, indicating a productive exchange of ideas.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the initial direction of rotation of the disk, which affects the interpretation of the friction torque. Additionally, there is a potential misunderstanding about the units of the friction torque, which may influence the calculations.

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This problem is due on my webassign homework in 3 hours and I can't get it right!

Calculate the net torque about the axle of the wheel shown in Fig. 8-39. Assume that a friction torque of 0.43 mN opposes the motion and that F = 26.

The picture is here: http://www.webassign.net/giancoli/8-39alt.gif

What I did:

The 35 N force will move the wheel clockwise so the torque will be -

28 N force will move it counterclockwise so torque will be +

26 N force will move it clockwise so force will be -

They forces are all perpendicular to the radius so its just T = r X F

35 N force T = 35 N X .12 m = -4.2 (moves cw)

28 N force T = 28 X .24 m = 6.72 (moves ccw)

26 N force T = 26 X .24 m = -6.24 (moves cw)

So then including the friction torque which opposes the motion of .43 I put

6.72 - 4.2 - 6.24 - .43 = -4.15 is the net torque and because its - it movies in the clockwise direction

Web assign says -4.15 is WRONG! What am I doing wrong, please help!
 
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You haven't said yet which direction (cw , ccw) the disk is rotating...
if it was already rotating ccw, the friction torque would be cw.
have you tried that?
 
It says 0.43 mN, which isn't the same as 0.43N
 
Ohhhh...so if the motion is going clockwise than the friction will be counter clockwise so it would be +.43 instead of -.43?

6.72 - 4.2 - 6.24 + .43 = -3.29

is that right?? ( I only have one guess left on my webassign and I don't want to screw it up, lol)
 
Well, I don't know the whole scenario of the problem, but ...
the 3 forces in the diagram MIGHT be slowing the spin of the disk.
There should be some indication of the spin, in the problem text.

I expect your .43 mN means meter x Newton (not milliNewton)
since it is a torque - unless it is 43 milliN applied at the .12m hub!
 
Seems right.
 
Ok I just guessed and -3.29 is right. That was stupid of me not to catch that the friction is positive. Thanks for the help!
 

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