Solving a System of Equations Without a Calculator

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The discussion revolves around determining the number of solutions for a system of equations involving a logarithmic function and a sine function: y = -4log_{12} (x) and y = 4 sin(x). Participants are exploring methods to analyze this system without the aid of a graphing calculator.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the properties of the sine function, noting its range, and consider the implications of the logarithmic function. Questions arise about how to visualize the functions without a calculator and the nature of their intersections.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints regarding the properties of logarithms and the sine function, while others express uncertainty about how to proceed without a calculator. There is a suggestion to analyze a simpler problem to identify patterns, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of not using a graphing calculator and are questioning the best methods to find the number of intersections between the two functions.

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Hi, this should be the last question for today :lol:
Determine the number of solutions for the following system:
[tex]y = -4log_{12} (x)[/tex]
[tex]y = 4 sin(x)[/tex]
Is there a way to do this without using a graphing calculator? Thank you very much!
 
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You do know that -1 <= sin(x) <= 1. That should be a good place to start. :)
 
dragon513 said:
Hi, this should be the last question for today :lol:
Determine the number of solutions for the following system:
[tex]y = -4log_{12} (x)[/tex]
[tex]y = 4 sin(x)[/tex]
Is there a way to do this without using a graphing calculator? Thank you very much!

Hi, hopefully you know some properties of log for the first one.
Hint:[tex]y=log_{10}(x)[/tex]
[tex]10^y = x[/tex]
and [tex]y=a*logx = log(x^a)[/tex]

For the second one, what do you have trouble with?
Can you draw [tex]y=sinx[/tex]?(of course without a calculator)
If you CAN, 4 is just the amplitude, and the graph's domain is[tex](-\infty, \infty)[/tex]
 
PhysicsinCalifornia said:
Hi, hopefully you know some properties of log for the first one.
Hint:[tex]y=log_{10}(x)[/tex]
[tex]10^y = x[/tex]
and [tex]y=a*logx = log(x^a)[/tex]

For the second one, what do you have trouble with?
Can you draw [tex]y=sinx[/tex]?(of course without a calculator)
If you CAN, 4 is just the amplitude, and the graph's domain is[tex](-\infty, \infty)[/tex]

Thanks for the input, but that's how far I got by myself :(
I should I get the intersecting points of the two graphs? Should I just use the calculator? Or is there another way around it?
 
dragon513 said:
Thanks for the input, but that's how far I got by myself :(
I should I get the intersecting points of the two graphs? Should I just use the calculator? Or is there another way around it?
You don't need to "get the intersecting points of the two graphs", you want to find their number.
Helpful apprach - solve an easier problem first:
how many points of intersection do these graphs have
[tex]y=4 sin(x)[/tex] and
[tex]y=x / 25[/tex] ?
Graph "by hand" and see the pattern.
 
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