How to Determine the Woman's Mass in a Constantly Accelerating Elevator?

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The problem involves a woman in an elevator that is accelerating upward. The work done by the normal force and gravity during the elevator's displacement is provided, and the goal is to determine the woman's mass, the normal force, and the elevator's acceleration.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between work, force, and distance, with some attempting to derive the mass from the work done by gravity. Others suggest using Newton's second law and express confusion about the forces and acceleration involved.

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Several participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problem, including writing expressions for gravitational force and work. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and methods to find the mass and forces involved, but no consensus has been reached.

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Some participants note the importance of understanding the signs of work done by forces and suggest that a diagram may help clarify the situation. There is also mention of the need for a solid grasp of fundamental concepts from physics courses.

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A woman stands in an elevator that has a constant upward acceleration while the elevator travels upward a distance of 18.0 m. During the 18.0-m displacement, the normal force exerted by the elevator floor does 8.25 kJ of work on her and gravity does 7.35 kJ of work on her.

a:What is the mass of the woman?

b:What is the normal force that the elevator floor exerts on her?

c:What is the acceleration of the elevator?


Once again, I am clueless as how to approach this problem.
 
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Remember that gravity's work is negative in this situation.
Start writing the formulas for what you know:

a: The force of gravity is found by multiplying "what" times 9.8? Force times distance equals "whatelse"? Go calculate the mass!

b: same thing, different force.

c: two forces. What's the net force?
 
part a: force x distance= work done, right? so work/distance=force?, so 7.35/18=.4083

still don't know how to calculate mass.
 
Use Newtons 2nd law to determine the mass.
 
sum of the forces= mass * acceleration
but I don't know the force or the acceleration
 
a) Write down an expression for the gravitational force on the woman. That force acts over a distance, so write down an expression for the work done by that force.
 
vertigo said:
a) Write down an expression for the gravitational force on the woman. That force acts over a distance, so write down an expression for the work done by that force.
Similarly to vertigo's hint, think what was the change in gravitational potential energy on the woman, because this is equal to the (negative of the) work done by gravity.
 
Well, don't think I'm being harsh with you ledhead, but you should read your courses and your book once again.
I mean, this kind of exercice is a direct application of what you should have learned.
At least, it is here, in France.

Here is a good advice to help you solve almost all mechanics related problems:
always do a diagram of the situation, it helps a lot in most situations.

Another good advice in physics is to use dimensional equations: this way you are always sure the equation you use gives you a coherent result in term of units.

Just some advices to help you ledhead, but do not hesitate to ask more questions if you feel the need!

Kyon

Ps: Excuse me for my not-so-good english :p
 

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