Calculate a spring constant using measurements from a Hooke's Law

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The discussion revolves around calculating the spring constant using measurements from a Hooke's Law apparatus, involving a spring and various weights. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correct application of the formula F=kx and questions the consistency of their results.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants discuss the correct formula to use, with some confirming that F=kx is appropriate. Questions arise regarding the measurement of displacement and the interpretation of the negative sign in the equation. There is also a consideration of whether the spring constant should remain constant across different measurements.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on ensuring proper measurements and the interpretation of the spring constant. There is an acknowledgment of potential experimental error and the importance of plotting data to determine the spring constant. Multiple interpretations of the graphing approach are being explored, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for clarity on the equilibrium position of the spring and the significance of the direction of forces involved. There is also a query about alternative experimental methods for determining the spring constant beyond the vertical hanging method.

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I need to calculate a spring constant using measurements from a Hooke's Law Apparatus, a spring, and some weights. Frankly, I have no idea what I need to do. I've taken the measure ments, and discovered the formula F=kx, where F=Force, k=spring constant, and x=the compressed distance.
I'm not sure if this is the proper formula, but here's what I tried to figure out.
If I am solving for k, then k=F/x.
Problem is, I do this for the different lengths of the spring and masses of the weights, and get differentiating answers for the constant.
So here are my questions:
1) Am I even using the right formula? If I'm not, you can go ahead and call me a dunce now and give me the right one.
2) Shouldn't a constant be...well...constant?
And help on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
 
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It would help a lot if you were to show us some of your data and your calculations. You are using the rigth formula.
 
So is this a spring hung vertically and you are putting on weights??

If so then your force is just the wieght, mg. Did you measure how much each mass displaced the spring from equilibrium? Then all you do is apply your formula that you were using. Remember that the SI units for k are N/m so convert your displacement into metres as well (if they aren't).
There should be a different displacement from equilibrium for each mass you put on, so you should get roughly the same constant. I say roughly because you have to allow for experimental error. But yeah from the information you've given it would seem that the only real mistake you could have made would be in the measurement of the displacement x. You did take the unstretched length of the spring (with no mass on it) as the equilibrium point?? Then did you put each mass on one by one, measuring the displacement from that equilibrium point??
 
Hello Senor_Blue, yes you are using the correct equation F=-Kx, the negative sign herejust to indicatate the displacement (x) of the spring which is opposite to the spring force (F), The spring force (F) in the equation is the equal to the applied force of course and in your case are the weights you load the spring with. (K) is the Stiffeness of the spring. Its a material property that depends on the spring, a large value of 'K' needs more load to strech/compress a spring than low values of 'K'. As you can see F=-Kx is the equation of a straight line, so (K) is the slope. Plot your values that you have on a graph and then calculate the slop along any part of the line (Y2-Y1/X2-X1) and this value is you 'k'. Notice it has to be a line since you are dealing with the elastic part of the behaviour of the spring!
 
Hi, I am doing exactly the same thing and I have 2 questions:

1. Would I be right in saying that because I am interested in the scalar quantity k (spring constant - I'm finding out from the investigation), the negative sign on the -x can be ignored?

2. I've plotted a graph of F against x and the evaluated the gradient k to be the spring constant. However, my procedure involves changing masses and measuring the corresponding extension - which means that the force is the independent variable and extension is the dependent variable, I think. Thus, strictly speaking, would I have to plot a graph of x against F and determine 1/k to be the spring constant, or would it not matter? Testing several times shows exactly the same answer, but does it matter?
 
dfx said:
Hi, I am doing exactly the same thing and I have 2 questions:
1. Would I be right in saying that because I am interested in the scalar quantity k (spring constant - I'm finding out from the investigation), the negative sign on the -x can be ignored?

Practically, yes. All the negative sign is saying is that the direction of the restoring force (F), and the direction of the INCREASE in displacement (x) are in the opposite direction to each other. In extracting the value of k, this direction issue is irrelevant.

2. I've plotted a graph of F against x and the evaluated the gradient k to be the spring constant. However, my procedure involves changing masses and measuring the corresponding extension - which means that the force is the independent variable and extension is the dependent variable, I think. Thus, strictly speaking, would I have to plot a graph of x against F and determine 1/k to be the spring constant, or would it not matter? Testing several times shows exactly the same answer, but does it matter?

It does not matter. You could have easily asked for the amount of mass needed to get an extension of so-and-so, and the spring-mass system won't know any better.

Zz.
 
awesome.. thanks ever so much.
 
Is there any experiment to accurately work out the constant of a spring, other than hanging it vertically, adding weights to it and then using k=F/x, if you have weights, a spring, an optical pin, an anti-parallax mirror, a piece of wire and a ruler?
 
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Use Simple Harmonic Motion.
 

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