Grade 12 physics - one mass on incline and other hanging

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving two masses, one on an incline and the other hanging. The problem requires analyzing the forces acting on the masses to determine the acceleration of the system under different conditions of motion and friction.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the mass on the incline, including tension, gravity, and friction. There are attempts to apply Newton's second law (f = ma) to find the resultant force and acceleration. Some participants express confusion about the initial solution provided and the conditions under which the acceleration is zero.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking clarification on the initial solution and the conditions affecting the acceleration. Some guidance has been offered regarding the calculation of resultant forces, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretation of the problem or the conditions leading to zero acceleration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of the angle of the incline, which is crucial for determining the forces involved and whether friction overcomes the gravitational component acting on the mass on the incline.

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Body B weighs 440 N and body A weighs 140N. The coefficients of friction between B and the incline are Us = 0.56 and Uk = 0.25.
a) Find the acceleration of the system if B is initially at rest
b) Find the acceleration of the system if B is moving up the incline
c) Find the acceleration of the system if B is moving down the incline.

(diagram: mass B is on the incline, and a is hanging)

For a, my teacher showed us the following solution:
a) mass b (g)(sin theta) ?> mass a (g)
a = ((mass b)(g sin theta) - (mass a)(g) - Ffriction) / (mass B + mass A)
= 0

Could someone explain this solution to me? I think I will be able to figure out parts b and c once i understand part a.

Thanks in advance and sorry I couldn't scan the diagram.
 
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You find the components of each force acting on B in the direction of the plane (tension , gravity ,friction) then use f = ma.
 
hm.. sorry i tried that and i still couldn't figure out how to do this question
 
urgent... please help!
 
First you calculate the resultant force, then you calculate the acceleration.

The resultant force is: m_b*g*sin(theta) - m_a*g +/- friction. I put +/- there because the friction always opposes motion. What don't you understand?

Show your working out please.
 
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I don't understand why the answer to part a is 0...

Thanks I got parts b and c now
 
The answer to part a will be 0 if friction overcomes the stronger of the applied force and gravity. You haven't given the angle of the incline so I don't know if it does or not. I imagine m_b*g*cos(theta)*Us > m_b*g*sin(theta) - m_a*g, which would mean a = 0.
 

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