Proving Limit of f:R->R Exists at All Points

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The discussion revolves around proving that a function \( f: \mathbb{R} \to \mathbb{R} \) that satisfies the functional equation \( f(x+y) = f(x)f(y) \) has a limit at all points, given that it has a limit at 0. Participants explore the implications of this functional form and the nature of limits in this context.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the potential forms of \( f \), including exponential functions and constant values. There are questions about how the limit at 0 can inform the limits at other points. Some participants suggest differentiating \( f \) to derive further properties, while others express uncertainty about using differential equations in their proofs.

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The discussion is active, with various participants contributing different lines of reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding differentiation and the implications of the functional equation, though there is no explicit consensus on the approach to take. One participant indicates they have resolved their confusion, suggesting some progress has been made.

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There are concerns about the use of differential equations and the level of rigor required in proofs, indicating a potential barrier to fully exploring certain approaches. Additionally, the existence of the limit \( L_x \) is a central question that remains under discussion.

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Let f:R->R satisfy f(x+y)=f(x)f(y) for all x,y in R. Suppose f has a limit at 0, prove that f has a limit at all points.

f could be either an exponential function which base is non-zero, or identically 0 or 1. Of course, this can't serve to prove anything unless I can prove that f cannot be anything else.

f(x)=f(0+x)=f(0)f(x). If f isn't identically 0, then f(0)=1. However I fail to see how the limit of f at 0 can help me.

Any pointers will be appreciated.
 
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What's an obvious choice for what the limit should be at x? I'll denote it as Lx, although you should be able to figure out what it should be. What you need to prove is:

for all x, there exists Lx such that for all e > 0, there exists d > 0 such that for all y satisfying 0 < |x-y| < d, the following holds:

|f(y) - Lx| < e

Note that y = (x-y) + x

Also note that you know that:

There exists L0 such that for all e > 0, there exists d > 0 such that for all h satisfying 0 < |h| < d, the following holds:

|f(h) - L0| < e
 
Hope this helps...

Try differentiating f(x), say

[tex]f^{\prime}(x)=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x+h) -f(x)}{h}=\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(x)f(h) -f(x)}{h}=f(x)\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(h) -1}{h}=f(x)\lim_{h\rightarrow 0}\frac{f(h) -f(0)}{h}=f(x)f^{\prime}(0)[/tex]

so that if f is differentiable at 0, then you have earned your self a handy differential equation from which to prove that f must be an exponential.
But I am tired... hope I helped.

-Ben
 
AKG said:
Note that y = (x-y) + x

Do you mean y=(y-x)+x?

benorin said:
a handy differential equation

I haven't done differential equations in analysis. The last time I used something ahead in my proof, I got the comment "Please prove _______ if you use it at this level". Not sure I want to do that again.
 
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Icebreaker said:
Do you mean y=(y-x)+x?
Yes. Can you see what to do with it?
 
f(y) = f(y-x)f(x).

Let h = y-x. |f(h)f(x)-Lx|<e whenever 0<|h|<d. But isn't the existence of Lx the very question I have to solve?
 
Nevermind, I got it. Thanks for the help.
 

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