Solving Trigonometry Problems Without a Calculator

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The discussion revolves around trigonometric concepts, specifically focusing on evaluating trigonometric functions and proving identities without the use of a calculator. Participants are exploring problems related to inverse cosine, sine identities, and the application of trigonometric formulas.

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  • Participants are attempting to find values for cos^-1(5/3) and cos^-1(3/5) and are questioning the validity of these expressions. They are also discussing how to prove a trigonometric identity and evaluate sin(165) using angle addition formulas.

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Some participants have provided insights into the impossibility of certain values and have suggested methods for evaluating sine using angle addition formulas. There is ongoing exploration of different approaches to the problems, with no clear consensus on the identities being discussed.

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Participants are working under the constraint of not using calculators, which influences their methods of evaluation and reasoning. There are also indications of confusion regarding the validity of certain trigonometric identities presented in the discussion.

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im trying to remember how to do some trig.

first of all, how do you find cos^-1 (5/3) without using a calculator?

2nd, i need help proving this identity:

2sin^2(x) - cos (x) - 2 sin (x) + 1 = 0

3rd, how do you evaluate sin 165 (which is sin (11/12 pi)) again without using a calculator.

thanks for the help. i know I am suppose to try them first but i haven't done this in a while and I am really stuck. :confused:

also if someone could give me a good trig link so i can refresh on my trig, id appreciate it.
 
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dnt said:
im trying to remember how to do some trig.
first of all, how do you find cos^-1 (5/3) without using a calculator?
2nd, i need help proving this identity:
2sin^2(x) - cos (x) - 2 sin (x) + 1 = 0
3rd, how do you evaluate sin 165 (which is sin (11/12 pi)) again without using a calculator.
thanks for the help. i know I am suppose to try them first but i haven't done this in a while and I am really stuck. :confused:
also if someone could give me a good trig link so i can refresh on my trig, id appreciate it.

sin 165 = sin(120+45), then use formula for sin(A+B)

recall that sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1

and cos^-1 (5/3) does not exist since -1 <= cos(x) <= 1 for any x
 
As benorin said, cos(5/3) is impossible. cosine of any number cannot be larger than 1.
(2) is also impossible: it is NOT an identity. In particular, for x= 45 degrees,
sin 45= cos 45= [itex]\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}[/itex] so
2 sin^2(45)- cos(45)- 2sin(45)+ 1=
[tex]\frac{2}{2}- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}- \sqrt{2}+ 1= 2- 3\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}[/tex]
not 0.
For (3), sin(165)= sin(120+ 45)= sin(2(60)+ 45). You should know the sine and cosine of both 60 and 45 and use the sum formula and double angle formula.
 
benorin said:
sin 165 = sin(120+45), then use formula for sin(A+B)

ok, so it would be:

(sin 120)(cos 45) + (cos 120)(sin 45)

correct?


recall that sin^2 x + cos^2 x = 1
and cos^-1 (5/3) does not exist since -1 <= cos(x) <= 1 for any x

the full problem was sin[2 cos^-1(5/3)]

so that has no answer?
 
HallsofIvy said:
For (3), sin(165)= sin(120+ 45)= sin(2(60)+ 45). You should know the sine and cosine of both 60 and 45 and use the sum formula and double angle formula.

i know how to do it if you use sin (120 + 45), assuming my work in the post right above is correct, but just for learning sake, how do you do it using sin (2(60) + 45) - the double angle formula with the sum formula?

edit: would you say [sin (2(60))* cos(45)] + [cos (2(60))* sin (45)] and then use the double angle formula to get:

(2)(sin 60)(cos 60) * (cos 45) + (cos 60)^2 - (sin 60)^2 * (sin 45)
 
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another identity i could use some help in:

(csc X)/(1 - cos X) = (1 - sin X)/(cos^2 X)

what i tried to do was say cos^2 X = 1 - sin^2 X

then i factored it so it would cancel with the top. leaving me with:

(csc X)/(1 - cos X) = 1/(1 + sin X)

but now I am stuck.
 
dnt said:
another identity i could use some help in:
(csc X)/(1 - cos X) = (1 - sin X)/(cos^2 X)
what i tried to do was say cos^2 X = 1 - sin^2 X
then i factored it so it would cancel with the top. leaving me with:
(csc X)/(1 - cos X) = 1/(1 + sin X)
but now I am stuck.
The problem you have is that that is NOT an identity. Again, if X= 45 degrees, then the formula becomes
[tex]\frac{\sqrt{2}}{1- \frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}}= \frac{1- \sqrt{2}}{\frac{1}{2}}[/tex]
That is NOT true! Where are you getting these problems?
 
a book. well i feel better for not being able to get them :)

thanks for the help.
 
oops...the actual problem was

sin[2 cos^-1(3/5)]

(not 5/3)

now can someone help me with this? thanks.
 
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http://www.berrys.plus.com/hh1.gif I hope this helps you,
Regards,
Sam
 
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i still don't know how to find the angle (in degrees or radians) without using a calculator. please help.
 
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dnt said:
i still don't know how to find the angle (in degrees or radians) without using a calculator. please help.

In this one "first of all, how do you find cos^-1 (5/3) without using a calculator? "

It's extremely simple

no answer!

the ratio between the adjacent and hypotenus can never be greater than one, because the adjacent side cannot be longer than the hypotenus.
 
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thanks, but that was already explained above. how do you do cos^-1 (3/5)?
 
  • #14
Is the question actually asking you to find the value of arccos(3/5)?

Or are you trying to work it out as a step in your calculations?

Regards,
Sam
 
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dnt said:
thanks, but that was already explained above. how do you do cos^-1 (3/5)?

You said before:
"oops...the actual problem was

sin[2 cos^-1(3/5)]"

BerryBoy then showed you how to get that, without actually finding the angle. In fact there is no way to get an exact answer for the cos-1(3/5).
 
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sorry, the full problem is sin[2 cos^-1(3/5)]

but is there any way to find cos^-1(3/5) by itself without a calculator?

if not, how do you find the answer to the above full problem? would it be:

2(4/5)(3/5) = 24/25

is that right?
 
  • #17
There is no way, other than by approximation, either by Taylor's series or by successive approximations.

Yes,you can do sin(2arccos(3\5)) just as suggested. If cos x= 3/5, sinx= 4/5 sin(2x)= 2(4/5)(3/5)= 24/25.
 

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