Find Velocity of Centripetal Ball Before Swing Out

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The discussion revolves around determining the velocity of a ball attached to a "vein" (likely intended to mean a chain) just before it swings out while being swung in a horizontal circle. The problem involves concepts of centripetal force, tension, and the forces acting on the ball.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between maximum tension and centripetal force, with some suggesting methods to calculate maximum velocity based on known parameters. Questions arise regarding the setup and the role of forces, including tension and gravity, in the context of a free body diagram.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided hints and guidance on how to approach the problem, particularly regarding the calculations of centripetal force and acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of assumptions about the motion of the ball and the forces involved, with no explicit consensus reached.

Contextual Notes

There is some confusion regarding terminology, specifically the term "vein," which one participant questions. Additionally, assumptions about the ball's motion being in a horizontal circle are discussed, with implications for how gravity is considered in the problem.

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How do you find the place when the ball is about to "swing" out?

A ball is attached to a vein, which has max tension of 300N; and Hercules is swinging the vein above his head. The length from vein to ball is .8meters. The ball has mass of 1.2kg..

How do you find the velocity of the ball just before it swings out?


Please advise... Thanks you!
 
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What's a vein? Do you mean chain?

In any case, here's a hint: The max tension is also the max centripetal force that can be supplied.
 
The ball will escape when it's 'centripetal force' is greater than the max tension of the vein.

Hopefully, you know that Force = Mass * Acceleration.

If you know your max 'centripetal force', then you can calculate your max centripetal acceleration.

Knowing your max centripetal acceleration and your radius, you can calculate your max velocity.
 
Centrepidal force is = mv^2/r,

but i don't know my velocity... What is another way to find Centrepedal force?

The only force in the x direction is the Tension force in the x component...

But i don't know that.
 
Is this right? :


Fc = 300
mv^2/r = 300
v = sqrt (300R/m)
 
You got it.
 
aha! Thanks! That was sooo much simpler than I thought...

But... how can we do this based on FreeBody Diagram?

There's 2 forces: Tension and Gravity right?

And Tension has 2 components: x and y.

...

Any advise on how I should draw the free body diagram?
 
and at what position is the ball when it is about to fall out?

Do i use V^2 = V0^2 + 2ax? What is its final speed? 0?
 
I've been assuming that the ball travels in a horizontal circle. To give you a better answer, I'd need to see what this apparatus looks like. Do you have a picture?
 
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your assumption is right. it is just a plain circle.
 
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If the ball is traveling in a horizontal circle, and the tension in the "vein" (what's a vein?) is also horizontal, then the problem ignores gravity. You've already solved the problem.
 

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