Black Holes: The Possibility of Energy to Matter Conversion

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The discussion revolves around the concept of energy to matter conversion, particularly in the context of black holes. Participants explore whether black holes could be mechanisms for converting energy into matter or other particles, and the implications of such processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that black holes might convert energy into unknown particles that could escape, potentially having properties like anti-gravity.
  • Others argue that while energy can be converted into matter/antimatter pairs, black holes primarily suck in matter and release energy rather than converting energy into matter.
  • A participant suggests that black holes collect light and may convert all particles into something else that escapes, likening them to "huge garbage disposals."
  • One participant references Hawking radiation, explaining that black holes emit radiation that could include massive and massless particles, challenging the classical view that nothing escapes from a black hole.
  • Another participant elaborates on Hawking's theory, detailing how black holes radiate energy and lose mass over time, eventually leading to their evaporation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms of black holes and their relationship to energy and matter conversion. There is no consensus on whether black holes can convert energy into matter, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the speculative nature of the ideas presented, particularly regarding the properties of potential particles that could escape black holes. The discussion also touches on the complexities of black hole thermodynamics and quantum mechanics, which are not fully resolved.

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It's easy enough for us to change matter into energy, take a wood log and burn it, but is there any way we know to change energy to matter?

What if black holes were doing it?

Catching and compacting energy and assembling it into a particle that has no gravity (or maybe has anti-gravity?) so it can float free from the black hole.

I know this is highly speculative and it would be an unknown particle, one that we would have trouble detecting.
 
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Dook said:
It's easy enough for us to change matter into energy, take a wood log and burn it, but is there any way we know to change energy to matter?

yes, you could change energy into matter/antimatter pairs, and if they annilate each other the same amount of energy will be released in gamma rays
 
Dook said:
It's easy enough for us to change matter into energy, take a wood log and burn it, but is there any way we know to change energy to matter?
What if black holes were doing it?
Catching and compacting energy and assembling it into a particle that has no gravity (or maybe has anti-gravity?) so it can float free from the black hole.
I know this is highly speculative and it would be an unknown particle, one that we would have trouble detecting.
well, it is not that easy to change matter into energy, while burning a log of wood you are not changing matter into energy but rather, what you are doing is releasing the energy traped in various chemical bonds.
And yes it is possible to create matter from raw energy. But in black holes case is not so, they suck in matter and release energy.
 
Okay, release, not change.

But don't black holes also collect light? Maybe all particles (EMR and matter) are converted to something else that somehow escape the black hole?

Like huge garbage disposals.
 
You are sort of correct. Check around for what you can find on Hawking radiation.
 
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Maybe all particles (EMR and matter) are converted to something else that somehow escape the black hole?
In 1974, Professor Hawking had an idea. He said black holes eventually transmit information about all the matter they swallow into radiation to be spewed out of the black hole. Hawking predicted that a black hole radiates thermally like a hot coal, with a temperature inversely proportional to its mass. For a solar-mass black hole, the temperature is around a millionth of a degree Kelvin - negligible. A black hole of 1012 Kelvins though, is hot enough to emit both massless, and massive particles, such as photons, electrons, and positrons. The thermal energy and hot coal were only analogies, what really happens is that the black hole “evaporates”, and disappears when all of the energy is converted and spewed to, now named in his honor, Hawking radiation. Previously, according to classical general relativity, neither matter nor information could flow from the interior of a black hole to an outside observer, and quantum mechanics though, allows matter and energy to radiate from black holes. Stephen Hawking was in the news in July 2004 for presenting a new theory on the quantum nature of black holes which goes against his own long-held belief about their behavior.

Because the emission of Hawking radiation is energy, the mass of the hole decreases the longer it lives, unless its being fed. As it shrinks, it gets steadily hotter, it sends out increasing amounts of Hawking radiation, emitting increasingly energetic particles and shrinking faster and faster. When it shrivels up to a mass of about 106 kilograms, the game’s up: within a second, it explodes with about the energy of a million-megaton nuclear bomb. The total time for a black hole to evaporate away is proportional to the cube of its initial mass. For a solar-mass sized-hole, the lifetime is an unobservably long 1064 years. For a 1012 kilogram one, it is about 1010 years - about the estimated present age of the universe.
 

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