Understanding Symmetry Groups of a Pentagon

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The discussion revolves around identifying the elements of the full symmetry group of a pentagon, including determining the order of each element and exploring the concept of subgroups. The original poster seeks clarification on these topics, as well as the possibility of generating the entire group using two reflections.

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  • Participants discuss the elements of the symmetry group, including rotations and reflections, and the construction of a Cayley table. Questions are raised about the order of elements, the nature of subgroups, and the generation of the group through reflections.

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Some participants have provided feedback on the original poster's understanding of group theory concepts, suggesting a need for revision. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between the elements and their orders, as well as the implications of Lagrange's theorem on subgroup formation.

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Right I have been asked to identify the elements of a full symmetry group of a pentagon and give the order of each element?

I have found the elements which I have marked as I, R (Rotation of 72 degrees), R2 (Rotation of 144 degrees), R3 (Rotation of 216 degrees), R4 (Rotation of 288 degrees), M (reflection in axis 1), MR (transformation from rotation R and reflection M), MR2, MR3, MR4.

Now I have made the cayley table of the full symmetry group of the pentagon using these elements.

But what is the order of each element?

What are the subgroups and why?

Can I generate the whole group with two reflections? Any two reflections?


Please help me as I need the answers for tomorrow :(
 
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Natasha1 said:
Right I have been asked to identify the elements of a full symmetry group of a pentagon and give the order of each element?
I have found the elements which I have marked as I, R (Rotation of 72 degrees), R^2 (Rotation of 144 degrees), R^3 (Rotation of 216 degrees), R4 (Rotation of 288 degrees), M (reflection in axis 1), MR (transformation from rotation R and reflection M), MR^2, MR^3, MR^4.
Now I have made the cayley table of the full symmetry group of the pentagon using these elements.

But what is the order of each element?
What are the subgroups and why?
Can I generate the whole group with two reflections? Any two reflections?

Please help me as I need the answers for tomorrow :(

Ok, sorry but what exactly is your background in this ? I mean, do you know how to calculate a Cayley Table ?

I also suggest you first revise your intro group theory, because otherwise there is no point in making this exercise.

marlon
 
That's really useful thanks! I mean come on. On don't need to be told to go and revise, please.

Anyone else?
 
My Cayley table looks like this...

I R R2 R3 R4 M MR MR2 MR3 MR4
I I R R2 R3 R4 M MR MR2 MR3 MR4
R R R2 R3 R4 I MR2 MR3 MR4 M MR
R2 R2 R3 R4 I R MR4 M MR MR2 MR3
R3 R3 R4 I R R2 MR MR2 MR3 MR4 M
R4 R4 I R R2 R3 MR3 MR4 M MR MR2
M M MR3 MR MR4 MR2 I R2 R4 R R3
MR MR MR4 MR2 M MR3 R3 I R2 R4 R
MR2 MR2 M MR3 MR MR4 R R3 I R2 R4
MR3 MR3 MR MR4 MR2 M R4 R R3 I R2
MR4 MR4 MR2 M MR3 MR R2 R4 R R3 I
 
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Someone out there please?
 
Marlon is perfectly correct to tell you to revise: if you don't know what "the order of an element" means then you can't answer the question. If you do know what it means then it is easy to work out either from geometric intuition or from the cayley table.

So, how many times do you apply the basic rotation before you get the identity? Or any other rotation? Or any reflection?

The subgroup question is straightforward again fi you know what Lagrange's theorem states, as is the last question. So, go and revise one fact: If H is a subgroup of G then the order of H INSERT WORD HERE the order of G
 

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