Can substitution be used to solve these trigonometric integrals?

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The discussion revolves around solving two trigonometric integrals: the integral of (sec^3x)(tan x)dx and the integral of (sec^4x)(tan x)dx. Participants are exploring the applicability of substitution as a method for these integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the effectiveness of substitution for both integrals, with one noting a discrepancy in results when applying different approaches. There is also a suggestion to express sec^4x in terms of tan and sec^2x, leading to further questioning of the validity of the results obtained.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants sharing their attempts and questioning the outcomes of their calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding substitution methods, but there is no clear consensus on the best approach or the correctness of the results.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication of uncertainty regarding the application of substitution and the transformations of trigonometric identities, which may affect the results. Participants are also reflecting on the rules of integration as they relate to their approaches.

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the two problems are
the integral of (sec^3x)(tan x)dx
and the integral of (sec^4x)(tan x)dx

will substitution work for both of these problems
 
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Why don't you just try substitution and see if it works?
 
I did and I got an answer for both, but for some reason I think I should follow the rule and change the sec^4x to (tan+1)(sec^2x)

and you don't get the same answer when you do it like that

if you just strait substitute you get sec^7x/5
and if you change a sec^2x to 1+tan you get tan^4x/2
I think, that's if I am even doing it right
 
Replace tan(x) by sin(x)/cos(x) (bearing in mind that sec(x) = 1/cos(x)) and the substitution should be clear :smile:
 

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