Some problems with rotational motion

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The discussion revolves around problems related to rotational motion, including moment of inertia, torque, and kinetic energy calculations for various objects in motion. Participants are exploring concepts in dynamics and rotational dynamics, particularly in the context of engineering applications and physical systems.

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  • Participants are attempting to calculate moment of inertia and torque for rotating objects, questioning the application of formulas and the effects of forces such as air resistance. There is also exploration of translational and rotational kinetic energy, with discussions on how to combine these energies correctly.

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Some participants have provided guidance on the correct formulas to use for calculating torque and kinetic energy. There is ongoing exploration of the relationships between angular acceleration, torque, and moment of inertia. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being discussed, particularly regarding the correct application of physical principles.

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Participants are working under constraints typical of homework assignments, including the need to ignore certain factors like the moment of inertia of rods or air resistance in specific calculations. There is also a noted confusion regarding units in torque calculations.

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1) A .65 kg on the end of thin light rod is rotated in a horizontial circle of a radius 1.2 m. (a) Calculate the moment of inertia of the ball about the center of the circle, and (b) the torgue needed to keep the ball rotating at constant angular velocity if air resistance exerts a force of .020 N on the ball. (ignore rod's moment of I and air resistance).

So... I did find (a) successfully: I = mr^2 = .94 kg-m^2

And here were my thoughs for part (b): T = F(perpindic)r
T = I*a(angular) Since acceleration is constant is it not zero? correct answer: .0240 mN
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2)To get a flat uniform cylindrical satellite spinning at the correct rate, engineers fire four tangential rockets. If the satellite has a mass of 3600 kg and a radius of 4 m, what is the require steady force of each rockets if the satellite is to reach 32 rpm in 5 minutes?

This one really got me thinking. So first converted all I needed to. I was give:
m = 3600 kg, r = 4 m, w = 3.349 rads/2, = 300 s.

I know I have to use the F = ma, and I have the m so all I need to do is some how get the a, and that is where I am having trouble. Correct answer: 20 N
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3) A bowling ball of mass 7.3 kg and radius 9 cm = .09 m, rolls without slipping down a lane at 3.3 m/s. Calculate it's total kinetic energy.

What I did was use the equation: (1/2)Iw^2

First I found I by I=mr^2
I = .059

then I found w by w = v/r = 3.3/.09
w = 36.6

so .5(.059)(36.6^2)
= 39.5 J and the correct answer is 56 J What did I do wrong?
 
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for problem 3,

one needs to find the translational and rotational KE's.

Obviously, KE (trans) = 1/2 mv2.

Rotational KE = 1/2 I [itex]\omega[/itex]2.

Make sure one has proper moment of inertia - in this case for a sphere I = 2/5 mR2, and when one multiplies R2 by [itex]\omega[/itex]2, the product is just v2.

For problem 2, try torque T = I[itex]\,\alpha[/itex], and [itex]\omega[/itex] = [itex]\omega_o[/itex] + [itex]\alpha\,[/itex]t, where [itex]\alpha[/itex] is angular acceleration and [itex]\omega[/itex] is angular velocity, and [itex]\omega_o[/itex] is the initial angular velocity.

For problem 1,
And here were my thoughs for part (b): T = F(perpindic)r
T = I*a(angular) Since acceleration is constant is it not zero?
To keep the ball moving, the applied torque must equal the opposing torque, which you have stated as T = F(perpindic)r. Simply subsitute in the values given. I think the units given with the correct answer are not correct, but should be N, not mN.
 
Problem three:
.5mv^2 = (.5)(7.3 kg)(3.3 m/s)^2 = 39.7 J

.5Iw^2 = finding I = 2/5(7.3 kg)(.09 m)^2 = .025

so... .5(.025)(w) and w = v/r = (3.3 m/s)/(.09) = 37
so (.5)(.025)(36.6) = 16.7

adding them together is 16.7 J + 39.7 J = 56.4 = 56 J. Would that be correct?
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#2 I used w = w(i) + a(ang)t
3.349 rad/s = 0 + a(300 s )
ang. acc = .011 m/s^2

then I found I, which fora cylinder is 1/2mr^2
= .5(3600 kg)(4 m)^2 ---- I = 28800

then I substitute in T = (28800)(.011 m/s^2) = 316... still not the right answer, why is that?
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#1, T = F(perpindic)r = (.020 N)(1.2 m) = .024 Nm, that is correct! At least I got two of them understood. Thanks. Any idea on # 2? Also, why are we only considering the force the air resistance is creating for #1 and now the mass?
 
Try this on #2,

One is trying to calculate the Torque provided by 4 rocket motors (jets) at radius 'r', tangential to the circumference of the satellite (cylinder).

So torque T = 4 F x r, which is the total force at a moment arm of length r. Also the torque = Moment of Inertia x angular acceleration, which you have calculated correctly.

Equate 4 F r = I [itex]\alpha[/itex] and solve for F.


On problem #1, I misread your units. I was thinking mN meant milliNewtons, rather than N-m (Newton-meters), which is the correct unit for torque.
 
Okay I shall try again.
4 F r = I [itex]\alpha[/itex]

4(F)(4 m) = (28800)(.011 m/s^2)
= 19.8 = 20 N, did I do the equation correctly?
 
That seems to be correct.
 

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