Interpreting behavioral evolution

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The discussion revolves around the interpretation of behavioral evolution in ancient species through fossil and historical records. Participants explore how behavioral changes, influenced by genetics, can be inferred from physical evidence, comparing this to the understanding of physiological evolution.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question the sufficiency of the fossil record to provide insights into behavioral evolution.
  • Definitions of "behavioral evolution" are sought, with one participant defining it as genetically based changes in behavior that enhance survival.
  • Examples of behavioral evolution discussed include social behaviors like traveling in herds or hunting in packs, with a suggestion that fossil evidence could support these behaviors if fossils of the same species are found in close proximity.
  • Another participant proposes that the discovery of tool layers among proto-humans could indicate behavioral evolution, raising the question of whether proving behaviors is more challenging for primitive animals.
  • There is a suggestion that more complex animals may exhibit more complex behaviors, potentially leading to more diverse evidence of their behaviors compared to simpler species.
  • A participant shares a resource related to Evolutionary Psychology and Behavioral Genetics, but another expresses difficulty in understanding its relevance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the adequacy of fossil records for understanding behavioral evolution, with some suggesting it is limited while others propose specific examples that could provide insight. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of various types of evidence in proving behavioral evolution.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between complexity of behavior and the complexity of the species, as well as the definitions of behavioral evolution that may vary among participants.

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What can fossil and other historical records tell us about ancient species' behavioral evolution, like we interpret from preserved physiology the progression of phenomes with genomes?
 
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I believe the fossil record is much to limited to give much information in the area you speak of.

Nautica
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
What can fossil and other historical records tell us about ancient species' behavioral evolution, like we interpret from preserved physiology the progression of phenomes with genomes?

"Behavioral evolution"? I have an idea what you mean, but could you define it anyway, so that I can make sure I'm on the same page?
 
"Behavioral evolution": the genetically based changes in behavior that improve survival.
 
You mean like traveling in herds, or hunting in packs?
 
Originally posted by Mentat
You mean like traveling in herds, or hunting in packs?

If this is what you mean, then I'd say the evidence for the above examples would be finding fossils of the same species, very close together...perhaps even finding a part of a creature that could serve no conceivable purpose other than in social sturcture (like the resonating chambers of Velociraptors in "Jurassic Park 3").
 
That's one great example, Mentat. How about finding layers of improving tools in an ongoing community of proto-humans? Are behaviors harder or easier to prove the more primitive the animal?

(By the way, I've wondered where you got your user name.)
 
Originally posted by Loren Booda
What can fossil and other historical records tell us about ancient species' behavioral evolution, like we interpret from preserved physiology the progression of phenomes with genomes?

There is a large wealth of data on Evolutionary Psychology / Behavioral Genetics at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evolutionary-psychology/

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Niels Bohr
 
I'm sorry, Niels, I didn't get much out of it. Maybe you could post a more specific link?
 
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Originally posted by Loren Booda
That's one great example, Mentat. How about finding layers of improving tools in an ongoing community of proto-humans? Are behaviors harder or easier to prove the more primitive the animal?

Well, I'd assume that the more complex the animal, the more complex the behavior; ergo, more (different) hints should be found of their behavior. Yours is a good example, since the finding of newer and more advanced tools sheds a lot more light on the behavior and social structure of primitive humans, than (for example) the grouping of many Velociraptor fossils can shed on their particular behaviors.

(By the way, I've wondered where you got your user name.)

The Dune series, by Frank Herbert, played a large role (along with some sci-fi for younger audiences that I read a long time ago, by Bruce Coville).
 

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