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Loren Booda
Nov30-03, 09:40 PM
What can fossil and other historical records tell us about ancient species' behavioral evolution, like we interpret from preserved physiology the progression of phenomes with genomes?

nautica
Dec1-03, 01:10 AM
I believe the fossil record is much to limited to give much information in the area you speak of.

Nautica

Mentat
Dec1-03, 10:13 AM
Originally posted by Loren Booda
What can fossil and other historical records tell us about ancient species' behavioral evolution, like we interpret from preserved physiology the progression of phenomes with genomes?

"Behavioral evolution"? I have an idea what you mean, but could you define it anyway, so that I can make sure I'm on the same page?

Loren Booda
Dec1-03, 11:08 AM
"Behavioral evolution": the genetically based changes in behavior that improve survival.

Mentat
Dec1-03, 11:10 AM
You mean like traveling in herds, or hunting in packs?

Mentat
Dec1-03, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by Mentat
You mean like traveling in herds, or hunting in packs?

If this is what you mean, then I'd say the evidence for the above examples would be finding fossils of the same species, very close together...perhaps even finding a part of a creature that could serve no conceivable purpose other than in social sturcture (like the resonating chambers of Velociraptors in "Jurassic Park 3").

Loren Booda
Dec1-03, 03:17 PM
That's one great example, Mentat. How about finding layers of improving tools in an ongoing community of proto-humans? Are behaviors harder or easier to prove the more primitive the animal?

(By the way, I've wondered where you got your user name.)

Niels Bohr
Dec4-03, 12:20 AM
Originally posted by Loren Booda
What can fossil and other historical records tell us about ancient species' behavioral evolution, like we interpret from preserved physiology the progression of phenomes with genomes?

There is a large wealth of data on Evolutionary Psychology / Behavioral Genetics at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/evolutionary-psychology/

Regards,

Niels Bohr

Loren Booda
Dec4-03, 11:14 AM
I'm sorry, Niels, I didn't get much out of it. Maybe you could post a more specific link?

Mentat
Dec4-03, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Loren Booda
That's one great example, Mentat. How about finding layers of improving tools in an ongoing community of proto-humans? Are behaviors harder or easier to prove the more primitive the animal?


Well, I'd assume that the more complex the animal, the more complex the behavior; ergo, more (different) hints should be found of their behavior. Yours is a good example, since the finding of newer and more advanced tools sheds a lot more light on the behavior and social structure of primitive humans, than (for example) the grouping of many Velociraptor fossils can shed on their particular behaviors.


(By the way, I've wondered where you got your user name.)

The Dune series, by Frank Herbert, played a large role (along with some sci-fi for younger audiences that I read a long time ago, by Bruce Coville).