Speed of Light: Path in Gravity Well & Denser Medium

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the behavior of light as it travels through a medium within a gravity well, specifically questioning whether the path of light remains the same in a denser medium compared to a known medium. The scope includes theoretical considerations of light's path in different media and the implications of gravity on that path.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the path of light would not remain the same in a denser medium, suggesting that the index of refraction is a key factor rather than just density.
  • Others argue that local variations in the medium's density could influence the deviation of light's path, drawing parallels to the phenomenon of dispersion.
  • A participant raises the idea that absorption of photons by the medium's atoms could lead to emission in different directions, complicating the understanding of light's path.
  • There is a suggestion that a quantum mechanical perspective might be necessary to fully address the question, despite acknowledging the potential contradictions of introducing QM into the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing the path of light in a medium, with no consensus reached regarding the primary influences of density versus the index of refraction. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear relationship between medium density and the index of refraction, as well as the need for further exploration into the physical properties that determine refraction. The discussion also hints at the complexities introduced by quantum mechanics, which are not fully elaborated upon.

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The path of light in a known medium in a gravity well is x, is the path of the light still x in
a dencer medium ?
 
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Since light's path can be bent when it travels through a medium in ordinary flat spacetime (see here and here), the answer must be "no". But it would depend on the index of refraction, not the density.
 
JesseM said:
Since light's path can be bent when it travels through a medium in ordinary flat spacetime (see here and here), the answer must be "no". But it would depend on the index of refraction, not the density.

Doesn't the deviation of the light's path also depend on the local variation of the medium's density ? Just like in the case of dispersion (ie "white" light splits up into different frequencies when it passes through a medium)?

Or what about absorption of photons by the medium's atoms and the subsequent emission into "other" directions than the incident direction.

My point is, shouldn't we tackle this question from a QM point of view ?

regards
marlon

ps : i do realize that mentioning QM in this subthread is a bit, err, contradictory, but anyhow, what are your thoughts on this ?
 
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marlon said:
Doesn't the deviation of the light's path also depend on the local variation of the medium's density ? Just like in the case of dispersion (ie "white" light splits up into different frequencies when it passes through a medium)?
Well, when I said it would depend on the index of refraction rather than the density, I didn't mean to rule out the idea that the density of the medium could itself influence the index of refraction, it's just that other things would presumably influence it too. I don't know enough to say what physical properties of a medium determine the refraction index, I think you're right that you'd need to get into QM to understand it.
 

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