Significance of equal Sun and Moon apparent sizes?

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The discussion centers on the significance of the near equality of the Sun's and Moon's apparent sizes as observed from Earth, exploring its implications for planetary history, mythology, and potential physical effects. The scope includes theoretical considerations, historical context, and speculative calculations regarding the Moon's changing distance over geological time scales.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the principal effect of the Sun and Moon's apparent size equality has been on mythology rather than on physical phenomena related to Earth.
  • One participant notes that the Moon's distance from Earth has varied significantly over time, while the Earth's distance from the Sun has remained relatively constant, suggesting that the current apparent size equality is a coincidence.
  • A participant requests references or calculations regarding the average angular size of the Moon over the last 500 million to 3 billion years.
  • Another participant provides a value for the Moon's recession rate and speculates on how this affects its apparent size over geological time, noting that their calculations may not be accurate.
  • One participant mentions the historical significance of ancient astronomers' ability to predict eclipses, linking it to political power and mythology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance of the apparent size equality, with some emphasizing its mythological impact and others questioning its relevance to physical processes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader implications of this phenomenon.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge uncertainties in the calculations regarding the Moon's distance and apparent size changes over time, and there is a lack of consensus on the historical significance of these changes.

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How has the near equality of the Sun's and Moon's apparent size (as seen from Earth) affected our planetary history (vs transient phenomena like eclipses)?
 
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I believe its principal effect has been on mythology. As far as the physics of the earth, unlikely.
 
As the Moon's distance from the Earth has, over our double planet's history, changed quite a lot - and as the Earth's distance from the Sun has been pretty much constant - the apparent near-equality we see today is a curious coincidence in time.

Anyone got a reference (or want to do a calculation) on how the average angular size of the Moon (as seen from the Earth's surface) has changed in the last 500 million to 3 billion years?
 
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If we assume that the moon is receding at a constant rate of .038 m/yr, 1 million years ago, the moon was 38,000 meters closer. Compared to it's present distance of 3.84x10^8 m, the moon was closer only by a factor of 1.00009896. If today, the moons average apparent size is only 30 arc minutes, 1 million years ago, it would have subtended an additional .18 arc seconds.

A billion years ago, it would have been 38 million meters closer. A factor of about 1.1 times closer. It's apparent size would have been larger by about 3 arc minutes.

These calculations are probably wildly inaccurate in reality.
 
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I believe its principal effect has been on mythology. As far as the physics of the earth, unlikely.

e.g., ancient astronomer's/astrologer's ability to predict eclipses was a source of political power. Maybe I can come up with some examples, L.B...
 

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