Attraction between positive charge and negative charge

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the interactions between positive and negative charges, specifically focusing on the relationship between protons and electrons, the formation of hydrogen atoms, and the nature of neutrons. It explores theoretical concepts, potential decay processes, and challenges to existing models.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that opposite charges attract while like charges repel, questioning whether protons and electrons will collide and the implications of such an event.
  • One participant discusses the formation of hydrogen atoms, suggesting that protons and electrons at close range lead to lower energy states.
  • Another participant introduces concepts of radioactivity related to electron capture and internal conversion as relevant to the discussion.
  • A claim is made regarding the neutron being modeled as a proton with an electron orbiting it, which is met with skepticism and several challenges regarding the validity of this model.
  • Concerns are raised about the energy levels of proton-electron systems, arguing that if the proposed neutron model were accurate, we would observe frequent conversions of hydrogen atoms into neutrons, which do not occur.
  • Discussion includes the spin characteristics of protons, electrons, and neutrons, questioning how two spin-1/2 particles could yield a spin-1/2 composite system.
  • One participant mentions the decay of neutrons and raises questions about the decay of protons, suggesting a need for clarification on decay processes.
  • Another participant reflects on the nature of decay, proposing a personal criterion for decay towards less energetic states and questioning the decay of protons in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement on the model of the neutron and the implications of charge interactions. There is no consensus on the validity of the neutron model presented, nor on the decay processes of protons and neutrons.

Contextual Notes

Limitations in the discussion include assumptions about energy levels, the nature of decay processes, and the validity of classical models of particle interactions. These aspects remain unresolved and are subject to interpretation.

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Opposite charge always attract and same charge repel each other.
Will proton and electron crash on each other? What will happen if they do so?
 
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In describing what goes on between a proton and an electron at this level, you have to work with energy levels. The hydrogen atom at its lowest energy is lower in energy than a neutron. As a result, when electrons and protons get close, they form hydrogen atoms.
 
my teacher said that the neutron is actually a proton and an electron orbitting it within Planck distance
 
garytse86 said:
my teacher said that the neutron is actually a proton and an electron orbitting it within Planck distance

Then your teacher needs to have his/her head examined.

There are several things you can tell this person that leads to indications that this isn't the right model for the neutron:

1. The LOWEST energy level for a proton-electron system is that found in the hydrogen atom. If an electron can get any closer to the proton to form that neutron model, then we would have seen lots and lots of H atom coverting itself into neutrons. This doesn't happen. This is because there's simply no states available for an electron to occupy within the single-electron energy level.

2. A proton has spin of 1/2. An electron has a spin of 1/2. But a neutron ALSO has a spin of 1/2. How does two 1/2's make 1/2? A system consisting of two spin 1/2 can produce a composite system with spin of 0 or 1, but NOT 1/2.

3. Your teacher should know by now not mislead people into thinking that an electron actually have classical "orbits", dispite the recent article in Nature.

Zz.
 
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The neutron by itself decays thanks to the weak force, the electron itself does not decay thanks to charge conservation, but ... a proton alone ?
 
Decay where? I mean, decay is always towards a less energetical state.

Hmm in some sense a proton does not decay, but four protons decay into Helium, with this criteria of my own... should I reshape it?
 

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