Fully understanding a capacitor circuit

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The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of a capacitor in a simple series circuit with a cell and a resistor, particularly focusing on the relationship between voltage, current, and resistance during the charging and discharging phases of the capacitor.

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  • Matt Klein expresses uncertainty about why there is a voltage across the resistor only while current flows and none when the current stops, suggesting a possible connection to the difference between EMF and voltage.
  • One participant explains that a voltage appears across the resistor due to the need for an energy potential difference to drive current through it, using an analogy of water flow in a pipe.
  • Another participant references Ohm's law, stating that if the current (I) is zero, then the voltage (V) across the resistor must also be zero, implying a direct relationship between current and voltage.
  • A further contribution describes the capacitor as having two plates at the same voltage when charged, leading to no voltage difference and thus no current flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various perspectives on the relationship between voltage, current, and resistance in the context of a capacitor circuit. There is no consensus on the explanation for the observed behavior, and multiple viewpoints remain regarding the underlying principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss concepts such as EMF, voltage, and Ohm's law, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of these concepts in the context of capacitor behavior in circuits.

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Dear forum users

Firstly, I wanted to post in the General Physics area, but it wouldn't let me create a new thread there!

I am a secondary school science teacher, teaching physics up to A-level.

I was in the process of revising capacitors with the class and it occurred to me that I may have a bit of a gap in my understanding.

Consider a simple series circuit with a cell, capacitor and resistor. While charging, charge collects on the capacitor plates until the voltage over the capacitor equals the voltage of the cell. While a current flows there can be a voltage over the resistor too.

When fully charged, the voltage of the cell will equal that of the capacitor. But there will be no voltage over the resistor.

Of course I am happy with the result, but I am having trouble explaining exactly WHY there is only a voltage over the resistor while a current flows – and then there is no voltage over it when the current stops.

Does this have something to do with the difference in meaning between an EMF and a voltage? i.e. the cell and capacitor create an EMF (like a ‘push’ due to static charge on the plates) whereas with the resistor just experiences a loss of potential due to resistance?

Any explanation of this result would be really appreciated

Matt Klein
 
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Welcome to the Forum!

The reason a voltage appears across the resistor has to do with forcing current flow. A voltage drop can be thought of as an energy potential difference needed to drive current through the resistor, which, aptly enough, resists the flow. Sometimes an analogy to water flowing in a pipe is helpful. A small pipe "resists" flow through friction with its walls. To produce a flow, you must drive the water through with a pressure differential across the pipe.

Here is a useful link:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/hframe.html"

Click on "Ohms Law", "Resistance" and "Resistivity" on the index at right, and explore the further links on those pages.
 
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Welcome Matt,

Don't forget Ohm's law:

V = I R

If I = 0 then V = 0, you cannot have one without the other.
 
The way I see it is I imagine the capacitor with just two plates for simplicity. When the capacitor is charged, the plates are at the same voltage. Thus, there is no difference in voltage between the plates and so the charges don't flow. No flow of charge means no current.
 

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