June 30, 2003; The Entity is Revealed

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the political situation in Iraq leading up to the transfer of power on June 30, 2004. Participants explore predictions about the stability and governance of Iraq, the implications of the war, and the effectiveness of the proposed political alternatives.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express skepticism about the anticipated political stability in Iraq, suggesting that significant violence and unrest may continue.
  • One participant questions the validity of the options presented for predicting Iraq's future, arguing that they are biased and do not include a neutral choice.
  • Another participant advocates for "populist anarchy" as a preferable system of governance, despite acknowledging that it has not been widely implemented.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the potential outcomes for Iraq, with some predicting continued instability and violence, while others critique the framing of the discussion and the options provided for predicting the future.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the political dynamics among different Islamic sects and the readiness of Iraqi security forces, which may influence the situation post-6/30/04.

What state will Iraq be in on 7/1/04 ?

  • extreme ubiquitous populist anarchy

    Votes: 3 42.9%
  • organized Islamic revolution

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Islamic/Secular civil war

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Exactly the same as today

    Votes: 2 28.6%
  • unorganized populist Iraqi national revolution

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • orderly transition to colonial serfdom the Halliburton way

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Total voters
    7
  • Poll closed .
schwarzchildradius
June 30, 2004; The Entity is Revealed

"I don't know how history will judge me-- everyone will be dead!"
-GWB
Okay, picture 70 days from now what will happen in Free Iraq. The hype has been tremendous, and the whole line has been that it will be a stable, democratic, free government of happy Iraqis. We're going to hand over power to "The Entity" ironically divined from anarchy by the UN envoy. The architects of the war plans expected the country to become more stable over time, and stubbornly adhere to the 6/30/04 deadline, yet the death toll for April alone is one short of 100 and we're only half way through it. Bremer flatly states that Iraqi security forces will not be ready to protect the country from insurgents. Yet what has been feared as a civil war might actually be an Islamic revolution (!)
What kind of state will Iraq be in on 7/1/04?
 
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I doubt the political situation in Iraq will change much in the next 70 days. I don't see a complete breakdown or a huge shift in the power relations between the three Islamic sects. I do think there will be an increase in violance against the US and its allies.
 
I want to protest the choice of alternatives. There should at least been a "none of the above" category, even if you didn't personally think "Promisingly stable republic" was likely. A skewed set of choices is just a disguised rant in my opinion.
 
selfAdjoint said:
I want to protest the choice of alternatives. There should at least been a "none of the above" category, even if you didn't personally think "Promisingly stable republic" was likely. A skewed set of choices is just a disguised rant in my opinion.
There should also be the choice of it looking the way its meant to look after 6/30...

Not that I really think it will be a reasonably stable democracy on 7/1, but it should still be a choice.
 
selfAdjoint said:
I want to protest the choice of alternatives. There should at least been a "none of the above" category, even if you didn't personally think "Promisingly stable republic" was likely. A skewed set of choices is just a disguised rant in my opinion.
That's what this part is for. Say what you think.
 
Bring On Populist Anarchy!

Bring out populist anarchy!
Its got my vote as the BEST system of government on present-day Earth.
Although, it's never been tried (not counting Spain's events).
 

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