Escape velocity and acceleration from gravity

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The discussion revolves around the concept of escape velocity and its relationship with gravitational acceleration, particularly in the context of a spacecraft attempting to escape Earth's gravity. Participants explore the implications of gravitational forces and energy conservation in this scenario.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants question the correctness of equating escape velocity with maximum achievable velocity under gravitational influence. They discuss the role of other gravitational forces, such as the Sun's, and how they might affect the spacecraft's motion.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between escape velocity and gravitational forces. Some participants suggest that the idealized scenario differs from real-world conditions due to the influence of other celestial bodies. Clarifications regarding conservation of energy are also noted as a significant point in the discussion.

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Participants are considering the effects of external gravitational influences and the assumptions made in idealized calculations of escape velocity. The discussion reflects on how these factors may alter the understanding of the problem.

Cpt. Bob
Ive heard that the escape velocity of a body is the same as the maximum velocity that can be achieved from gravitational acceleration from the same body. Like say it requires a spacecraft to be moving at about 11 km/sec to escape Earth's gravity, and we isolated the Earth and spacecraft , so that the only force acting on the spacecraft is Earth's gravity. Then if the spacecraft was placed stationary any distance from the earth, the maximum velocity it could ever achieve is 11 km/sec. Is this correct, and if so why? Would it be incorrect in the example above, but correct in the real world because of other more powerful gravitational forces, such as the suns, countering acceleration due to Earth's gravity till the spacecraft is very near earth, or near enough for Earth's gravity to become dominant? Thx in advance for any clarification.
 
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Originally posted by Cpt. Bob
Is this correct, and if so why?

It is correct, and it is due to the conservation of energy. The escape velocity is calculated by setting the total energy equal to zero. That is, if you start at r=∞ from rest and let go, you would return to the Earth at the escape velocity.

Would it be incorrect in the example above, but correct in the real world because of other more powerful gravitational forces, such as the suns, countering acceleration due to Earth's gravity till the spacecraft is very near earth, or near enough for Earth's gravity to become dominant? Thx in advance for any clarification.

I think you've got it backwards: It is correct in the (idealized) example above, but incorrect in the real world.

When calculating the escape velocity of the Earth, the influence of other bodies is neglected. In the real world, that effect must be taken into account to be accurate.
 
Originally posted by Cpt. Bob
if the spacecraft was placed stationary any distance from the earth, the maximum velocity it could ever achieve is 11 km/sec. Is this correct
Yes.
and if so why?
Because in this scenario, the ship can only gain kinetic energy from its potential energy in the Earth's gravitational field. And, as the distance earth-ship approaches infinity, the potential energy approaches a certain limit.
Yet we know that meteorites can have much higher velocities than 11 km/s. Which means they carry surplus energy that does not stem from Earth's gravity alone.
Would it be incorrect in the example above, but correct in the real world
I'd put it the other way round: correct in the above example, but incorrect in the real world
because of other more powerful gravitational forces, such as the suns
Yes, a celestial body that is much more massive than earth, but not much farther away (at a certain time), could (have) provide(d) the surplus energy.
 
Great, thanks for the help. I hadnt even thought about conservation of energy as it applies here.:smile:
 
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Pretty good answers, guys!
 

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