Transformer efficiency at low (and high) frequencies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of transformers at low and high frequencies, particularly focusing on why efficiency decreases at low frequencies and the implications of frequency on transformer operation. Participants explore concepts related to mutual induction, hysteresis, and the operational characteristics of transformers and motors at different frequencies.

Discussion Character

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that transformer efficiency drops at low frequencies and questions the reasons behind this, suggesting that the circuit behaves increasingly like DC as frequency decreases.
  • Another participant responds by explaining that mutual induction limits current in transformers and that utility transformers are designed for efficiency at 60 Hz, implying that lower frequencies lead to reduced voltage and increased current risks.
  • There is a question about the advantages and disadvantages of operating at 60 Hz versus 440 Hz, indicating interest in the operational characteristics of different frequency standards.
  • One participant elaborates on hysteresis losses in laminated steel cores, stating that energy loss increases with frequency, and mentions that higher frequencies allow for different materials like ferrite to be used in motors.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the effects of frequency on transformer efficiency, with some agreeing on the role of mutual induction and hysteresis while others raise questions about the implications of different frequency standards. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal frequency for transformer efficiency.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the limitations of transformer efficiency related to frequency without resolving the complexities of hysteresis and mutual induction effects. The implications of using different materials at varying frequencies are also mentioned but not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electrical engineering, transformer design, and the operational characteristics of motors and transformers at various frequencies may find this discussion relevant.

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Hello,

I've been thinking about why (elementary) transformer efficiency drops drastically at very low frequencies. I know hysteresis effects play a major role in reducing efficiency at high frequencies, but why low? I realize that as we reduce the frequency of the emf, we're making the circuit "more and more DC", but a freqency still exists, no? The transformer that I'm talking about is a simple two-solenoids-magnetically-linked-by-a-ferromagnetic-core single phase one (home-made). Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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>I realize that as we reduce the frequency of the emf, we're making the circuit "more and more DC"...

You've basically answered your own question.
The phenomenon of mutual induction (a.k.a. back EMF) between conductors in a transformer (or motor) winding is what limits the current. A very large utility distribution transformer will have 735 Kv on a primary winding of only a few ohms resistance. (0 ohms if they could make it). The equipment is designed to work efficiently on 60 Hz.
Another example is an adjustable frequency motor drive. As the frequency is reduced, so is the voltage. Otherwise the current would be excessive and burn the motor out.
 
What are the pros/cons of 60Hz and (what was it) 440Hz?
 
The phenomenon of mutual induction (a.k.a. back EMF) between conductors in a transformer (or motor) winding is what limits the current. A very large utility distribution transformer will have 735 Kv on a primary winding of only a few ohms resistance. (0 ohms if they could make it). The equipment is designed to work efficiently on 60 Hz.
Another example is an adjustable frequency motor drive. As the frequency is reduced, so is the voltage. Otherwise the current would be excessive and burn the motor out.

Wow, that seems logical. Thank you so much. :biggrin:
 
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What are the pros/cons of 60Hz and (what was it) 440Hz?

Almost all motors and power transformers use a core of laminated steel to conduct magnetism. The iron molecules line up according to the direction of the magnetic lines, which is decided by the electrical polarity. There's a slight hesitation of the molecules to follow the (constantly reversing) magnetism called hysteresis, which is energy loss. At 60 Hz the loss is small but increases with frequency.
A 2 pole induction motor will spin at 3500 rpm at 60 Hz so 400 Hz is used to run special motors at higher speeds. For even higher frequencies into the MHz range, ferrite is used in place of iron.
 

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