Heat & Physics Q: Is There a Cosmic Temp Limit?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of temperature limits in the universe, specifically addressing whether there is a maximum temperature associated with objects approaching light speed. The inquiry stems from a microbiology student's interest in physics and their interpretation of heat generation through friction at high speeds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that while there is a temperature minimum, there is no maximum temperature, with one noting that this is more of a mathematical concept than a physical one.
  • Another participant clarifies that one can approach absolute zero but never actually reach it, emphasizing the distinction between mathematical and physical terms.
  • It is proposed that there is no maximum kinetic energy, suggesting that one can continue to accelerate indefinitely without a limit, which challenges the initial assumption about heat being limited by speed.
  • A later reply expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding acceleration and its implications for understanding temperature limits.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there is no maximum temperature, but there are competing views on the interpretation of temperature limits and the implications of kinetic energy in relation to speed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes nuances regarding the definitions of temperature limits and kinetic energy, which may depend on mathematical interpretations and physical principles that remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts of thermodynamics, relativistic physics, and the mathematical foundations of physical theories.

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Hi, I feel a bit out of place in this forum. I am a microbiology student with about as much physics knowledge as is generally deemed necessary for my field, which means that this knowledge doesn't run particularly deep. I do have an interest in physics however, and a lot of questions concerning some of its mechanisms. This will likely be the first of many so I apologize in advance for the imposition.

I just finished reading a book on the search for absolute zero and a statement in the book got me thinking. The statement was the fairly innocuous and seemingly common sense one that there is a temperature minimum for the universe but no maximum. After reading the statement I imagined an object approaching light speed while traveling through a fitted tube. If both the object and the tube are roughened to optimal roughness for heat generation through friction, then as the object approaches it's cosmic speed limit, motion and heat being equivalent, it appeared to me that it should be approaching a sort of cosmic temperature limit as well. Is this the case, and if not, could you please point out the error in my thinking? Thank you.
 
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Hello and welcome to Physics Forums.

there is a temperature minimum for the universe but no maximum.

Actually it is more of a maths thing than a physics one.

There is a lower bound (maths term) to temperature. There is no minimum. These terms are not the same and it is difficult to describe the difference in other than mathematical terms.

You can approach absolute zero arbitrarily closely but you can never actually reach it.

As to a maximum, no there is no physical principle that provides an upper bound, but there are definite practical ones as I'm sure you appreciate.
 
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I'd like to point out that while the speed of light is the maximum speed, there is NO maximum kinetic energy. What I mean is that you can accelerate forever, constantly increasing your kinetic energy without limit. You will just never reach light speed, only edge closer and closer. So your thinking that the heat should be limited based on speed is incorrect. Make sense?
 
That point about acceleration clears it up completely. Thank you.
 

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