Constant Power and speed of particle relation

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving the relationship between constant power and the speed of a particle, specifically a car. Participants explore how to express the speed of the car given its mass, constant power, and distance traveled, starting from rest. The conversation includes attempts to derive equations and integrate to find the solution.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the problem and expresses difficulty in continuing with the integration needed to solve for speed.
  • Another participant suggests that the distance "x" requires integration and provides a differential equation relating power, mass, and velocity.
  • A participant admits to not being proficient with differential equations.
  • Further suggestions are made to separate variables and integrate to find velocity as a function of time.
  • Concerns are raised about the relevance of the distance "x" in the problem, with one participant asserting it is simply a number.
  • A participant claims to have derived a specific formula for velocity based on the problem's parameters.
  • Another participant provides a different expression for velocity and suggests integrating with respect to time to find a relationship with distance.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the assistance received in solving the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the approach to take or the final expressions for velocity, as participants propose different methods and equations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best way to incorporate the distance "x" into the solution.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the necessity of certain variables and the integration process. There are unresolved mathematical steps and differing interpretations of the problem's requirements.

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Hello all

I encounter a difficulty solving most simple problem related to constant power and speed of particle the problem is as follows:

Express the speed (V) of a car given a constant power P , the mass of the car is m, the car travels distance x and it at first was at rest.

I assume initial speed and dist. is zero, if P is constant I can write it as P=FV so
V=P/F ; F=mA (where A is acceleration) here I feel there should be some integration but I don't know how to continue ?

Help will be appreciated! :mad:
 
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Why do they give you the distance "x"...?It requires a simple integration.

[tex]P=m\frac{dv}{dt}v[/tex]

Do u see how to derive [itex]v(t)[/itex]...?

Daniel.
 
No I'm not so good with diff. equations .!
 
Separate variables and integrate with corresponding limits...

[tex]v \ dv =\frac{P}{m} dt[/tex]

Daniel.
 
Already made but the answer is given by x ,p ,m and factoring numbers !
I think DX/DT is needed ??/
 
It can't."x" given in the problem is a number.I don't know why they gave it,though...

Daniel.
 
I can post the answer for you it goes like : v=(3xp/m)^(1/3)!
The question is from Resnick Physics 1 4th edition chapter 7 problem 52 , I suppose the answer is correct .
 
Okay the velocity is

[tex]v=\sqrt{\frac{2P}{m}} \sqrt{t}[/tex] (1)

Integrate wrt time & use the initial condition (t=0,x=0) to find

[tex]x=\frac{2}{3}\sqrt{\frac{2P}{m}} \ t^{\frac{3}{2}}[/tex] (2)

Eliminate "t" between (1) & (2) & u'll find your answer.

Daniel.
 
Thank you very much
I got it , good to know there are wise people out there.
 

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