Algebra: Expressibility of f(x) with 10 Numbers

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the expressibility of a function f(x) defined by ten specific values in terms of polynomial equations. Participants explore whether f(x) can be represented as a polynomial or a product of polynomials, considering both single-variable and multi-variable cases.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if f(x) can be expressed in the form of a polynomial or as a product of two polynomials, prompting others to consider the implications.
  • Another participant asserts that there are infinitely many polynomials that can fit the given points, suggesting that the problem is not homework-related.
  • A different participant introduces the concept of Lagrange interpolation as potentially relevant to the discussion, although they express uncertainty about the answer.
  • One participant clarifies that with a finite number of points, there exists a unique polynomial of degree n+1 or lower that passes through those points, referencing Lagrange's interpolation formula and Newton's divided difference scheme.
  • Another participant adds that for distinct y-values, the corresponding x-values must also be distinct to maintain a valid polynomial representation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are infinitely many polynomials that can fit the given points, but there is disagreement regarding the conditions under which f(x) can be expressed as a product of polynomials or the implications of distinct x and y values.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the independence of points and the conditions necessary for polynomial representation, which remain unresolved.

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Let's say you have ten numbers

[tex] f(1) = 1[/tex]
[tex] f(2) = 100[/tex]
[tex] f(3) = 45[/tex]
[tex] f(4) = 9000[/tex]
[tex] f(5) = 999[/tex]
[tex] f(6) = 46[/tex]
[tex] f(7) = 47[/tex]
[tex] f(8) = 48[/tex]
[tex] f(9) = 59[/tex]
[tex] f(10) = 60[/tex]

Is f(x) expressible in the form

[tex] f(x)=a_nx^n+a_{n-1}x^{n-1}...a_1x+a_0[/tex]
or perhaps
[tex] f(x)=(a_nx^n+a_{n-1}x^{n-1}...a_1x+a_0)(b_ny^n+b_{n-1}y^{n-1}...b_1y+b_0)[/tex]
Why? Why not?

If it is, is there any way to find it?
 
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There are an infinite number of answers to your homework.
 
It's not homework :smile:

matt grime said:
There are an infinite number of answers to your homework.

So can any function of a random series of numbers be expressed as a product of two or more polynomial equations if f is a function of two variables or one polynomial equation if f is a function of one variable?
 
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i don't really know the answer but i think "lagrange interpolation" might have something to do with this.
 
Firstly, you shouldn't have an input x into f(x) and an output in two variables.

And of course given a finite number of points x, f(x) there are an infinite number of polynomials through those points.
 
Given any finite number, n, of points (x, y) there exist an infinite number of functions (and polynomials) whose graphs pass through those points (i.e. y= f(x)).

However, there exist a unique polynomial of degree n+1 (or lower if the points are not "independent") whose graph passes through those points.

As Fourier jr. said, Lagrange's interpolation formula will give that polynomial. Newton's divided difference scheme will also work.

A finite sequence of points (x, y, z) CAN be represented as a polynomial in the two variables (x,y). However, I do not believe that it can necessarily be represented as a polynomial in x TIMES a polynomial in y.
 
Not quite true. The x's corresponding to distinct y's must be distinct (ie. if [itex](x_n, y_n), \ (x_m, y_m)[/itex] are some of the points and [itex]x_n = x_m[/itex] then in order to have a set [itex](x, \ f(x))[/itex] for a polynomial [itex]f(x)[/itex] containing both points you need [itex]y_n=y_m[/itex]), then it's fine~
 

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