Raising things to i power, I came across 4.8104773809655

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical implications and meanings of raising numbers to the imaginary unit i, particularly focusing on the expression e^(pi*i) = -1 and exploring what number raised to the power of i approaches zero. Participants examine specific values, such as 4.8104773809655, and their relationships to complex exponentiation.

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  • One participant notes that e^(pi*i) = -1 is a well-established proof but seeks to understand its meaning and implications.
  • Another participant provides a solution for the equation x^i = i, stating that the solutions are e^{(pi/2) + n*pi} for all integers n, identifying e^(pi/2) as approximately 4.8104773809653516554730356667.
  • A different participant confirms that the natural logarithm of 4.81047738... is approximately pi/2, linking it back to the earlier point about exponentiation.
  • One participant clarifies that the original question was about what number raised to i approaches zero, suggesting that a^i can be expressed as e^(i ln(a)), and discusses the implications for real and complex numbers.
  • Another participant argues that for real a, the absolute value of a^i cannot approach zero, but for complex a, they explore conditions under which e^z approaches zero, suggesting that e^(-n) approaches zero as n increases.

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Participants express differing views on the conditions under which a number raised to the power of i can approach zero, with some focusing on real numbers and others considering complex numbers. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific conditions and implications of these mathematical expressions.

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There are limitations in the discussion regarding the assumptions made about the nature of a and the conditions under which exponentiation behaves in the complex plane. The mathematical steps leading to conclusions about approaching zero are not fully resolved.

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I was working on the general meaning of taking things to the i power -- I was pondering the meaning of

e^pi*i = -1

The proof for this thing is well established, I was musing about meaning. An obvious question was:

What to the i power goes to zero?

As I was hunting for that number (on my TI-83 while driving to work -- and it is very hard to press [2nd] i on that thing with one hand), I came across this number:

4.8104773809655

Namely:

4.8104773809655^i => i

...at least on my TI-83. 4.81047738096535^i on the google calculator.

What is this number, and who has done work on it?

Regards,

Steve Rives
 
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For:

[tex]x^i = i[/tex]

The solutions for x are:

[tex]e^{\frac{\pi}{2} + n\pi} \quad \forall n \in \mathbb{Z}[/tex]

So if you hadn't already guessed:

[tex]e^{\frac{\pi}{2}} \approx 4.8104773809653516554730356667 \ldots[/tex]

As for the equation:

[tex]i^x = 0[/tex]

Well there exists no complex solution for x. In fact the only time:

[tex]a^b = 0[/tex]

For a and b in complex numbers is when [itex]a=0[/itex] and [itex]b \neq 0[/itex].
 
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Of coruse! Only, I found it the hard way just now:

ln(4.81047738...) is 1.5707963

And that's pi/2
 
he did not ask when i^x = 0, he asked (what)^i -->0?

so we might look at a^i = e^(i ln(a)) = cos(ln(a)) + i sin(ln(a)).

but again it is clear that this number has absolute value 1, so cannot approach zero, at least not for real a.

now for complex a, we just need to solve for when e^z goes to 0.

but e^(-n)-->0 for example, so therefore e^i(in) -->0 too. so x = in satisfies

e^(ix) goes to zero as n goes to infinity, i.e. as x goes to i.infinity.
 

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