Universal gas, Boltzmann's constant

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The discussion revolves around the Universal gas constant and Boltzmann's constant, exploring their definitions, implications, and relationships in the context of thermodynamics and kinetic theory. Participants express confusion regarding the interpretation of these constants and their roles in equations related to ideal gases and enthalpy.

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  • One participant questions whether the Universal gas constant implies that an increase in Kelvin should decrease the amount of joules, suggesting a potential contradiction with kinetic theory.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical relationship involving enthalpy and the ideal gas equation, indicating that the difference between specific heats (C_p and C_v) is a constant (R) for ideal gases.
  • A third participant acknowledges the usefulness of enthalpy but admits to not having encountered related formulas yet.

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Participants express differing levels of understanding regarding the implications of the Universal gas constant and Boltzmann's constant, with some confusion remaining about their definitions and relationships. No consensus is reached on the interpretations presented.

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Some assumptions about the relationships between temperature, energy, and the constants are not fully explored, and there may be dependencies on specific definitions that are not clarified in the discussion.

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I understand the formulas involved and numerical values of these constants and in the respective units . However I'm still having troubling understanding exactly what it is these two constants define. Does Universal gas constant say that For every mol times Kelvin there is 8.315J ? I don't think that makes sense since an increase in kelvin should actually decrease the amount joules, since K is in the denominator, which I believe then defies a portion of kinetic theory. Then Boltzmann's constant is it saying that every atom will have 1.38x amount of joules per kelvin?
 
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R is defined by this relationship going back to the definition of enthalpy:

[tex]h = u + \frac{p}{\rho}[/tex] and the form of ideal gas equation of state [tex]p =\rho RT[/tex] You get:

[tex]h = u + RT[/tex]

If you differentiate with respect to temperature:

[tex]dh = du + R dT[/tex]

[tex]\frac{dh}{dT} = \frac{du}{dT} + R[/tex]

From relations for ideal gases...

[tex]C_v = \frac{du}{dT}[/tex] and [tex]C_p = \frac{dh}{dT}[/tex]

we can say that [tex]C_p = C_v + R[/tex] or

[tex]C_p - C_v = R[/tex]

This is important because that says that for all ideal gasses, the difference between [tex]C_p[/tex] and [tex]C_v[/tex] is a constant.
 
oh, I don't think came across any formula concerning enthalpy yet but it makes sense in equation form.
 
Enthalpy is a very useful term. If you get into thermodynamics you will become very familiar with it.
 

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