What is the symbolic condensed version of Equation 2?

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The discussion revolves around finding a symbolic condensed version of a mathematical expression related to iterated indefinite integrals, specifically focusing on Equation 2. Participants explore different notations and representations for multiple integrations, including potential shorthand methods for expressing high-order integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents Equation 2 as an iterated integral and seeks a condensed symbolic form for it.
  • Another participant suggests a version of the iterated integral but expresses surprise at the notation used.
  • A participant questions how to represent an integral that must be computed multiple times, suggesting the need for a shorthand notation.
  • One participant notes that iterated indefinite integrals are rare and typically include bounds, providing examples of high-dimensional integrals and alternative notations.
  • Another participant proposes defining an integral operator to simplify the notation for iterated integrals.
  • A suggestion is made to use the notation D^{-2}f(x) to represent the second integral of a function.

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Participants express differing views on the notation and representation of iterated integrals, with no consensus on a single symbolic condensed version for Equation 2. Multiple competing ideas and approaches are presented.

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Limitations include the lack of clarity on the assumptions behind the proposed notations and the potential ambiguity in defining the bounds for the integrals discussed.

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Equation1:
[tex]\frac{d^2}{dx^2} (x^n) = \frac{d}{dx} \left[ \frac{d}{dx} (x^n) \right][/tex]

The LHS for Equation1 is the symbolic condensed version for the RHS, however, what is the LHS symbolic condensed version for Equation2 RHS?

Equation2:
[tex]\text{?} = \int \left[ \int \left( x^n dx \right) \right] \; dx[/tex]
 
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[tex]\int dx \int \left( x^n dx \right)[/tex]
 
[tex]\int dx \int \left( x^n dx \right)[/tex]


Interesting, I have never seen that version before. I was expecting something as:
[tex]\int \int x^n dx dx = \int \left[ \int \left( x^n dx \right) \right] \; dx[/tex]

However, what if I wanted to demonstrate an equation that must be integrated 10 times or even 100 times? Surely there must be a shorthand version?
 
It's somewhat rare to see iterated indefinite integrals: generally you would specify bounds, even if it's something like:

[tex] \int_0^x \int_0^t f(s) \, ds \, dt[/tex]

I've often seen high dimensional integrals written something like:

[tex] \iint \cdots \int f(x_1, \ldots \, x_n) \, dx_1 \, dx_2 \, \cdots \, dx_n[/tex]

with some additional text indicating the region of integration... or instead written as a single integral whose dummy variable ranges over a high-dimensional space.


Another option, which I suspect is the best one for you, is to define an integral operator. For example, you could define the operator I via:

[tex](If)(x) := \int_0^x f(t) \, dt[/tex]

and then you could indicate an iterated integral by [itex]I^nf[/itex].
 
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You can write [tex]D^{-2}f(x)[/tex] and/or [tex]D^{-2}(x^n)[/tex].
 

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