Thread: Black holes
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Jul12-04, 11:35 AM
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Quote Quote by urtalkinstupid
yes, indeed science is experimental/observational. scientists may have the experiments to prove stuff
Hold onto these ideas, but also take time to learn what's actually being done.

It would be helpful if you could read up on what science is (and is not); you've several times used the word 'prove' in association with 'experiments'. Proof is only possible in mathematics, not science; all scientific results are tentative and qualified, proof is not possible. A more appropriate thing to say, wrt science, is something like 'there are no experimental/observational results which are inconsistent with {theory}, within its domain of applicability, to within the limits of the experimental/observational error' (note that 'experimental/observational error' has a precise meaning in science).
, but what they get out of those experiements sometimes dont make sense. a lot of times when scientists do computer models of gravity, the computer model doest give off results resembling our real world and how things work.
Can you provide some details please? Note that my request refers to specific 'computer models of gravity' which don't match specific experiments/observations (not handwaving).
yes, the sites i am providing are not textbooks, but have you ever thought about what if these textbooks are just a bunch of fabricated ideas thought up only to account for mishaps at early mathematical attempts to prove stuff?
Surely the way to test this idea is to see what the textbooks actually say, then go check for yourself! You can do this by a) working through the detailed math of the theories, to be sure that the results claimed are consistent with the theory, and b) reading up on the details of the specific experiments/observations which sought to test the theories, to be sure that the experiments/observations were done correctly, and that the results do match the theoretical predictions. At a pinch, you could also c) do your own experiments and observations.
a lot of things need to be revised in physics. for one, this concept of a black hole. experiments, observations, and what have you with black holes are all just a way for scientists to explain the unknown to we people who look for answers. im sure many scientists out there know that black holes dont exists and choose not to tell
What really matters isn't what any one scientist 'knows', it's how well the experimental results match the theories. As science isn't secret, you are free to 'check it out' for yourself.