Specific Latent Heat of Fusion


by xiao
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Oct15-07, 12:48 PM
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1. The problem statement, all variables and given/known data
need to work out the Specific Latent Heat of Fusion
i did the expirment and here are the results
Results:
Mass of calorimeter
Mcal 116.87g
Mass of H2O
MH2O = [Mcal + H2O] - Mcal 80.82g (197.69g)
Mass of Ice
Mice = [Mcal + Mice + H2O] - MH2O 12.58g (210.27g)
Room Temperature (Tr) 26°c
6°c above (Tr) = Ti 32°c
Aprox. 6°c below (Tr) = Tf 21°c
Change in Temperature ∆T -11°K
Specific Latent Head of Ice L (?)


2. Relevant equations
Mice l + Mice CH2O ∆T = -[Mcal Ccal ∆T + MH2O CH2O ∆T]

we already know the following
Ccal = Ccu = 390 Jkg-1K-1
C H2O = 4200 Jkg-1K-1
LH2O = 33x104 Jkg-1


3. The attempt at a solution
so there where i have gotten so far with
Mice L(?) + Mice CH2O ∆T = -[Mcal Ccal ∆T + MH2O CH2O ∆T]

I need to find out what L(?) is
12.58g x L (?) +12.58g x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K = -[116.87g x 390 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K + 80.82g x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K]

Convert grams into kilo grams
0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K = 0.11687kg x 390 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K +0.08082kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K

0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K = -501.3723 + -3733.884

0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K = -4235.2563 J

how do i switch over the 0.01258kg + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K to the other side to have just L (?) on one side

I need help to find out L(?)
how do i rearange to find L(?)




Thais is wat i mean



PS i know that i am not very good at science, i am a International Relations and Politics student but they r making me do this
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Oct15-07, 01:15 PM
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Quote Quote by xiao View Post
Mice L(?) + Mice CH2O ∆T = -[Mcal Ccal ∆T + MH2O CH2O ∆T]

I need to find out what L(?) is
12.58g x L (?) +12.58g x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K = -[116.87g x 390 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K + 80.82g x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K]

Convert grams into kilo grams
0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K = -[0.11687kg x 390 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K +0.08082kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K]


0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K = 4235.2563 J
Heres a lil correction i made
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Oct15-07, 01:20 PM
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"0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K = 4235.2563 J"

I'm going to leave out the units and rewrite:

0.01258L + (0.01258)(4200)(-11) = 4235.2563

subtract (0.01258)(4200)(-11) from both sides...
or equivalently add (0.01258)(4200)(11) to both sides...

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Oct15-07, 01:22 PM
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Specific Latent Heat of Fusion


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my attempt at the final answer

0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K = 4235.2563 J
0.01258kg x L (?) = 4235.2563 J + 581.196 J
L (?) = (4235.2563 J + 581.196 J) / 0.01258kg
l (?) = 382865.6041

which i think is wrong coz i dont know wat i am doing
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Oct15-07, 01:26 PM
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Quote Quote by learningphysics View Post
0.01258L + (0.01258)(4200)(-11) = 4235.2563
0.01258L + (0.01258)(4200)(-11) = 4235.2563
0.01258L + (-581.196) = 4235.2563

Quote Quote by learningphysics View Post
subtract (0.01258)(4200)(-11) from both sides...
u mean subtract (-581.196) from 4235.2563
4235.2563 - (-581.196)
4816.4523
?????
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Oct15-07, 01:30 PM
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Quote Quote by xiao View Post
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my attempt at the final answer

0.01258kg x L (?) + 0.01258kg x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11K = 4235.2563 J
0.01258kg x L (?) = 4235.2563 J + 581.196 J
L (?) = (4235.2563 J + 581.196 J) / 0.01258kg
l (?) = 382865.6041

which i think is wrong coz i dont know wat i am doing
math wise it looks right to me. l = 382865.6041 J/kg.

I don't know if the answer is right... I'm rusty with my chemistry... but as far as the algebra for this part is concerned, the math is right.
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Oct15-07, 01:32 PM
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Quote Quote by learningphysics View Post
math wise it looks right to me. l = 382865.6041 J/kg.

I don't know if the answer is right... I'm rusty with my chemistry... but as far as the algebra for this part is concerned, the math is right.
lol i know it means 382865.6041 Jouels per kilogram
382865.6041 Jouels is a HELL load of jouels to melt ice in water at room temprature
382865.6041 Jouels is like wat ur house used in 2 weeks (just guessing)
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Oct15-07, 01:32 PM
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Quote Quote by xiao View Post
0.01258L + (0.01258)(4200)(-11) = 4235.2563
0.01258L + (-581.196) = 4235.2563


u mean subtract (-581.196) from 4235.2563
4235.2563 - (-581.196)
4816.4523
?????
yeah... it's basically the same as what you did...

0.01258L + (-581.196) = 4235.2563

0.01258L + (-581.196) - (581.196) = 4235.2563 - (-581.196)

0.01258L = 4816.4523

which gives the same answer you got.
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Oct15-07, 01:36 PM
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Quote Quote by learningphysics View Post
yeah... it's basically the same as what you did...

0.01258L + (-581.196) = 4235.2563

0.01258L + (-581.196) - (581.196) = 4235.2563 - (-581.196)

0.01258L = 4816.4523

which gives the same answer you got.
thanx mate even tho the answer is wrong atleast the math is write so i can put that in my Conclusion but thanx alot for the help

i still have to do the following experiment
combustion of fules
something on electricity
something on water turbines
something on solar energy
biodiesel

so i will be here much more to get help with my results :P

then after that i am freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee from anykind of science
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Oct15-07, 01:36 PM
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lol i know it means 382865.6041 Jouels per kilogram
382865.6041 Jouels is a HELL load of jouels to melt ice in water at room temprature
382865.6041 Jouels is like wat ur house used in 2 weeks (just guessing)
I don't know. This webpage:

http://www.physchem.co.za/Heat/Latent.htm

gives the latent heat of ice as 334 kJ.kg-1 = 334,000J/kg, which is not that far off from what you have.
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Oct15-07, 01:37 PM
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Quote Quote by learningphysics View Post
I don't know. This webpage:

http://www.physchem.co.za/Heat/Latent.htm

gives the latent heat of ice as 334 kJ.kg-1 = 334,000J/kg, which is not that far off from what you have.
lol by bad wooooohooo i did it
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Oct15-07, 01:39 PM
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lol by bad wooooohooo i did it
:) good job. seems like it was a tough experiment! I was terrible at chemistry.
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:) good job. seems like it was a tough experiment! I was terrible at chemistry.
the expirment was easy just melt ice in water in room temp untill u reach a certian temp

but i find physics hard even the basics like this coz this is ment to be basic and i am not even a science student i am doing my BA in international relations and politics
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the expirment was easy just melt ice in water in room temp untill u reach a certian temp

but i find physics hard even the basics like this coz this is ment to be basic and i am not even a science student i am doing my BA in international relations and politics
You'll usually be able to get lots of help here. good luck!
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Mice L(?) + Mice CH2O ∆T = -[Mcal Ccal ∆T + MH2O CH2O ∆T]

12.58g x L (?) +12.58g x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K = -[116.87g x 390 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K + 80.82g x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x -11°K]
shouldn't the left side of this equation be:

12.58g x L (?) +12.58g x 4200 Jkg-1K-1 x (21°K) ?

because the ice is initially at 0°C... and this water that is from the melted ice goes to a final temperature of 21°C from 0°C.


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