Kinoki Foot Pads

ZapperZ

All they need to claim is: "Results may vary", and that's that. They can show a few people who got "better" by using it and they're done. Unless you're willing to really do a clinical study of your own to show convincingly that it doesn't work, then you have no proof that it doesn't, and that's what they are counting on. So they have managed to turn the burden of proof on you, rather than the other way around.

Zz.

CEL

One example of this is the infamous Q-Ray bracelet. The FTC filed a complaint with the courts on May 27, 2003, after several months of investigation and preparation for litigation. (see ftc.gov/os/caselist/0323011/qtinccmp.pdf). After four and a half years of complex, protracted litigation, Judge Frank Easterbrook, the Chief Judge of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals ordered reimbursement in a minimum amount of $22.5 million up to a maximum of $87 million.
Of course the scammers earned much more during this time and they will continue to scam people in other countries.

turbo

Here is Dr. Frank - the quack that is selling 2-oz spray bottles of water for only $19.95, plus $6.94 S&H. His commercials are running in heavy rotation - must be a REALLY profitable business.

http://www.nopainspray.com/indexHJR_...07.asp?tid=100

Greg Bernhardt

I've also seen an infomercial for a pet pain relief spray too.

W3pcq

I hear of much skepticism, but of no debunking. Sounds like group thinking taking over to me.

CEL

Read post #6, signed by me. What more debunking do you want?

Moonbear

The problem there is that usually the people buying them are gullible enough to believe the claims, and don't question the results.

I have heard of one company that finally got shut down for mail fraud...instead of being raided by cops, it was the Postal Inspectors and Postal Police that finally nabbed them.

From the descriptions I'm reading of them resembling a maxi pad, there probably is at least as much benefit as sticking a maxi pad in your shoes...a little extra padding and some absorption of moisture. Nothing special, and not removing "toxins" from the body, but nothing particularly harmful, and maybe slightly more comfortable than wearing cheap shoes without such padding.

turbo

As for the sprays, homeopathic medicines are supposedly made stronger by diluting them. Once you get to significant dilution ratios, it is likely that there is no molecule of the "active" ingredient in the solvent (water, alcohol, etc). This requires no debunking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathy

chemisttree

Oh yeah.. but the water remembers the shape of the dissolved substance and induces the rest of the water to adopt that corresponding remembered shape. You gotta have faith in these products! (and $19.95 plus $6.95 shipping and handling)

I sure hope that water doesn't have a memory... I've been so cruel to water in the past.

Evo

I'm afraid that I could link to threads here on that.

Well, here you have it, conclusive scientific evidence, but held back by Riiight. It's a conspiracy.

http://www.aquatechnology.net/watermemory.html

Or Emoto (we have a number of threads on this one)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masaru_Emoto

If that hasn't frightened you try this.

http://www.physicsforums.com/showpos...96&postcount=1

erktmed

To those still thinking the kinoki foot pads might possibly work:
Of all the toxins alleged to come out of the feet into the pads, which toxins would be responsible for turning the pads a dark color? If I’m not mistaken, the colors of those chemicals are nothing but clear or white. If you disagree, please show which of the toxic chemicals purported to reside in the body have a dark brown color. Unless you can explain how the darkening discoloration would in any way support kinoki’s claim (detoxification / the presence of toxic chemicals in the pads), their initial premise is false.

Greg Bernhardt

Can anyone debunk their claim that trees discard toxins from the sun down through the trees roots?

Poop-Loops

You're essentially pooping through your feet. I don't know about you all, but that's been my dream since I was a kid.

I'll take 20!

Moonbear

What toxins from the sun? I'm not a plant biologist, but I only know of plants taking up nutrients from the soil into their roots, and other exchanges of gases occurring through the stomata in the stems and leaves.

But, it hardly matters, does it? Afterall, humans aren't plants. We don't remove wastes from our body through our feet, we do so through our renal and digestive systems. If you're unable to properly filter toxins out of your body, you don't need foot pads, you need dialysis.

Rocketmandb

There may be a whole host of reasons why they don't work, but this argument can't be among them. I am a 30+ year aquarist and I routinely use "detox pads" in my reef aquariums to remove heavy metals and other impurities that my other natural filtration does not remove. These pads are 12"x12" white porous filter material with the consistancy close to those cut-to-fit A/C filters. I just float these in my sump and within a couple weeks they are jet black with impurities. The color is not due to particulate being caught as there is a particulate filter prior to this area of the sump. I once used one of these in a friend's tank who's house had copper piping. Within a couple days it was sky blue due to the copper it pulled from the water. The reason mine (and most people's) turn black is because there are so many chemicals that manifest themselves in different colors and when all are combined you get black.

kmarinas86

So maybe the Kinoki foot pads are like "Ionic Breeze" for your feet.

Rocketmandb

Your link just took me to the home page for Sharper Image. I was too lazy to look up the latest on their Ionic Breeze product, but I did like this cool chair! :)