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This is the F650GS if you could find one for a good price it would be fun. Only problem is BMWs are so darn fancy you would likely have to have all work done at the shop and the shop rate for BMW's is ridiculous. At least with this bike if you wanted you could go on a longer distance ride more comfortably than with a more serious dual sport.

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 Quote by Andre Well, Turbo, this is the choice of aforementioned expert: http://www.bikewalls.com/motorcycles.../1400_GTR.html http://www.motorcycledaily.com/30jun...concours14.htm http://www.motorcycledaily.com/19jul...ours14_pt2.htm
Complete with home entertainment center, kitchenette, wc, shower, sat nav and butler.

 Quote by wolram Complete with home entertainment center, kitchenette, wc, shower, sat nav and butler.

Bikes like that are just couches on wheels, like the goldwing...bleh.

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 Quote by scorpa Bikes like that are just couches on wheels, like the goldwing...bleh.
Yep. I was just tire-kicking and trying to kill 45 minutes or so in a Kawi dealership. I'm open to buying a sport-bike of some kind, though I'd prefer to stay low-tech with a normally-aspirated carb. Ain't gonna happen as far as I can see so far.

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 Quote by scorpa http://www.motorbike-search-engine.c...kes/f650gs.jpg This is the F650GS if you could find one for a good price it would be fun. Only problem is BMWs are so darn fancy you would likely have to have all work done at the shop and the shop rate for BMW's is ridiculous. At least with this bike if you wanted you could go on a longer distance ride more comfortably than with a more serious dual sport.
BMWs ARE fancy and high-tech with close tolerances and there are no dealerships near me, so every service-call would be . I had a close friend in the early '70s who rode an R65 and I've got to say that I fell in love with that bike with it's clunky-looking boxer engine and mini-fairing. It was a metallic rust-orange color that kind of grew on me.

BMW's G650X looks pretty good, but I'm having trouble getting details, specs, etc.
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 Quote by turbo-1 Thanks Andre. I was thinking smaller and lighter, though. I realize my initial request was pretty open-ended. I'm selling the Softail because of its high value/taxation/insurance and hoping to downsize to a bike that will just sip gas when I'm smart enough to stay off the throttle. Most of my biker-buddies have faded away, leaving me doing a lot of one-up riding on my own. I sat on one of those a couple of weeks ago while my wife was at a medical appointment, and that was one CUSHY-feeling bike!
Not sure if it's been mentioned already (I only read part of the thread), but the Honda VFR800 (or older VFR750) is a reasonable compromise between sporty and comfort. I prefer full-on sportbikes myself, but if you are going to be doing some 200 mile trips, a sportbike gets uncomfortable (unless all 200 miles are curves!).

Have you sat on a VFR800?
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 Mentor Streetbikes do not like gravel roads much. I guess your initial dual sport thoughts may end up being your best bet, but I have to tell you, IMO dual sports do neither on-road nor off-road well. They are scary on the road (not enough power, dicey traction from dual sport tires, high center of gravity), and they are downright dangerous off-road, where their weight becomes an issue as the bumps and jumps get bigger. My main street ride right now is a Buell XB-12R sportbike, and my off road dirtbike is my CRF450R motocross bike in my avatar. You could probably get both for the price of your Harley (especially if you bought used). Just think, in a few weeks you could be riding standup wheelies (on either bike), and change your avatar! .

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 Quote by berkeman Streetbikes do not like gravel roads much. I guess your initial dual sport thoughts may end up being your best bet, but I have to tell you, IMO dual sports do neither on-road nor off-road well. They are scary on the road (not enough power, dicey traction from dual sport tires, high center of gravity), and they are downright dangerous off-road, where their weight becomes an issue as the bumps and jumps get bigger. My main street ride right now is a Buell XB-12R sportbike, and my off road dirtbike is my CRF450R motocross bike in my avatar. You could probably get both for the price of your Harley (especially if you bought used). Just think, in a few weeks you could be riding standup wheelies (on either bike), and change your avatar! .
Yeah, berkeman! I have a few friends with Buells and will consider them, though they are not good candidates for gravel roads, and I would have to trailer (not a good option) to get to those. I have a close friend with 2 Thunderbolts - one of which he modded to nitro and is really scary at the drag track with big soft Avon tires. They don't last long, but they are really sticky and he's got to use a wheelie bar to keep from flipping over off the line.

 Quote by turbo-1 One of the reasons I bought a Harley in the first place is because I've always liked their looks and wanted one, regardless of their acceleration and top speed. They are massive and VERY stable in turns, too. I'm afraid if I buy a crotch rocket, I will rack up speeding tickets. I tend not to check the speedometer too often, and often when I look down, I have to back off the throttle. Yes, I have ridden them, and they are plentiful and pretty cheap on the used market - I just don't see myself falling in love with them. I don't need to pull wheelies away from stop-lights or try to red-line a bike that tops out at about 75mph more than any posted speed limit in the state.
LoL, 75mph over. A good sports bike will easily go 145mph over the posted speed limit (65mph). If your bike can only go 75 over the posted, take it to a shop!

 Quote by turbo-1 Yep. I was just tire-kicking and trying to kill 45 minutes or so in a Kawi dealership. I'm open to buying a sport-bike of some kind, though I'd prefer to stay low-tech with a normally-aspirated carb. Ain't gonna happen as far as I can see so far.
Why do you want a new bike with 20 year old technology? Get fuel injection. Carbs are a pain in the butt. My friend had a sports bike that was normally-aspirated. Its a hassle. He got a fuel injected suzuki 600 instead.

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 Quote by Cyrus LoL, 75mph over. A good sports bike will easily go 145mph over the posted speed limit (65mph). If your bike can only go 75 over the posted, take it to a shop!
210mph? That's a Daytona Superbike, not a production sportbike. The R1 is more like 175mph, isn't it? The Hyabusa is a bit higher, but not really a sportbike in my book.

 Quote by berkeman 210mph? That's a Daytona Superbike, not a production sportbike. The R1 is more like 175mph, isn't it? The Hyabusa is a bit higher, but not really a sportbike in my book.

The Hyabusa will go 220mph. A gsxr-1000 will probably do 190-200. My friends gsxr-600 does 180, it just doesnt accelerate as fast as the 750 or 1000cc. I think the top speed is also faster for the higher power models though.

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 Quote by Cyrus LoL, 75mph over. A good sports bike will easily go 145mph over the posted speed limit (65mph). If your bike can only go 75 over the posted, take it to a shop!
I was trying to be conservative and address the capabilities of the mid-range crotch rockets. There is no way that I am going to spend the bucks and insurance money (and fines) to jump into high-revving 1000cc+ monsters. I have no need for one of them, nor do I want one, even if it was given to me. I have enough troubles without clocking enough radar-speed to pull my license permanently, and believe me, if I had a bike capable of a top speed of XXX mph, I would eventually be tempted to test it. I put my 650 Yamaha to 110 on a very short stretch shielded with hills on each end back in the early 80's and I don't trust myself to avoid that in the future. Yes, when I was riding Harleys, I had a buddy with a Yamaha V-Max that could pull wheelies in every gear. When we swapped bikes for fun, he called my Harley a tractor after I ran away from him on his Yama. By the time we got to NH, he was sore and needed to walk off the ride, and I was fresh. There are trade-offs to each kind of bike, and I'm looking for input.

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 Quote by Cyrus Why do you want a new bike with 20 year old technology? Get fuel injection. Carbs are a pain in the butt. My friend had a sports bike that was normally-aspirated. Its a hassle. He got a fuel injected suzuki 600 instead.
The point is that I can tear down and rebuild/tune a carb, and I have no way of doing that kind of maintenance on a computerized fuel-injected bike.

 Quote by turbo-1 The point is that I can tear down and rebuild/tune a carb, and I have no way of doing that kind of maintenance on a computerized fuel-injected bike.

Yeah, but you dont have to do that kind of repair often on a fuel injection system, and its programmed for max performance. Its technically more advanced.